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Hello Superman!
Thank you for your reply! In your reply you made a statement “Its just not necessary to torque every single one.” That reminded me of a friend of mine who job at that time was to secure the U bolts for the universal joint at the rear of the drive shaft of an HO vehicle. We put the car on the line for all the marbles we had at that time. He let the clutch pedal go and the U bolts twisted themselves apart, drive shaft went everywhere, we lost that race. This had never happen before and never happen again “why?”
Jr.Hello Superman!
Thank you for your reply! In your reply you made a statement “Its just not necessary to torque every single one.” That reminded me of a friend of mine who job at that time was to secure the U bolts for the universal joint at the rear of the drive shaft of an HO vehicle. We put the car on the line for all the marbles we had at that time. He let the clutch pedal go and the U bolts twisted themselves apart, drive shaft went everywhere, we lost that race. This had never happen before and never happen again “why?”
Jr.Hello Inverlass!
I want to thank you for your reply! I just love to see a female get her hands dirty, particularly the females with skills. You may or not agree that when a vehicle leaves your care, that customers life can at times literally be in your hands “it’s not always about money”. This is a journey enjoy and embrace the ride.
Jr.Hello Inverlass!
I want to thank you for your reply! I just love to see a female get her hands dirty, particularly the females with skills. You may or not agree that when a vehicle leaves your care, that customers life can at times literally be in your hands “it’s not always about money”. This is a journey enjoy and embrace the ride.
Jr.Food for thought!
1) (ASE) = Automotive Service Excellence, I applaud everyone that takes the time to become educated, and particularly those of you that continue with your education. For most of you here engaging in this great debate, you have seen technology advance over time. Early on, it was approximately every 10 years or so, then every 4 years, every 2 years, and now every 6 months. If you plan to continue in the field of automotive technology, then consider this, you can’t repair something you don’t understand. And if you think these cars are somewhat challenging, just wait another 6 months or less.
2) (SAE) = Society of Automotive Engineers, now here is where the rubber really hits the road. This is what I aspire to achieve, this is where the real money resides, but you have to bring your “A” game to this field “I’m just saying”. And from my heart I wish everyone great success at your endeavors! B)Food for thought!
1) (ASE) = Automotive Service Excellence, I applaud everyone that takes the time to become educated, and particularly those of you that continue with your education. For most of you here engaging in this great debate, you have seen technology advance over time. Early on, it was approximately every 10 years or so, then every 4 years, every 2 years, and now every 6 months. If you plan to continue in the field of automotive technology, then consider this, you can’t repair something you don’t understand. And if you think these cars are somewhat challenging, just wait another 6 months or less.
2) (SAE) = Society of Automotive Engineers, now here is where the rubber really hits the road. This is what I aspire to achieve, this is where the real money resides, but you have to bring your “A” game to this field “I’m just saying”. And from my heart I wish everyone great success at your endeavors! B)Hello again everyone! So far we’ve addressed the certified automotive technician, the none certified technician (parts hangers) or (R&R), the experienced vs certified technician. What about the type of technician that quantifies me? The automotive technician that has spent the last 20 years self educating himself in the field of electronic engineering, classical physics and ect. One who knows how to proficiently use a scope, understands the different meanings of the sine wave, square wave ect. Proficient in using scan tools, understands why some sensor output voltage is AC instead of DC, Proficient in using DMM, and now the power probe III and the ECT2000. I have none quantifiable hours of education from 1993 to present, my disability allowed me this learning curve. So once again I ask the academically certified automotive technicians, to quantify a none documented highly educated automotive technician!! B)
Hello again everyone! So far we’ve addressed the certified automotive technician, the none certified technician (parts hangers) or (R&R), the experienced vs certified technician. What about the type of technician that quantifies me? The automotive technician that has spent the last 20 years self educating himself in the field of electronic engineering, classical physics and ect. One who knows how to proficiently use a scope, understands the different meanings of the sine wave, square wave ect. Proficient in using scan tools, understands why some sensor output voltage is AC instead of DC, Proficient in using DMM, and now the power probe III and the ECT2000. I have none quantifiable hours of education from 1993 to present, my disability allowed me this learning curve. So once again I ask the academically certified automotive technicians, to quantify a none documented highly educated automotive technician!! B)
Hello everyone! Eric this is a great discussion! Well let’s get down to the nuts and bolts of this conversation. I’m a person that believes knowledge is power, your power is governed by your knowledge. I’m 55 years old, and 20 years ago I became paralyzed from the chest down from a (GSW) gun shot wound. I started my career in the automotive industry at the young age of 18 as an auto body and fender apprentice. I spent a year learning the basics from professionals in that field. How do you know who is a professional? This is a part of my intuition, or God given skill set. By my 19th birthday I began learning to be an automotive mechanic, I don’t know about anyone else, but the man that taught me to be a mechanic gave me a screw driver and a pair of channel lock pliers, and told me to take an alternator off 72 eldorado. For those of you that are interested, it took me 2 hours to take the old one off and put the new one on. There was a method to that madness, I had gained this mans respect because the guys that came before me couldn’t demonstrate the creativity necessary to complete that task with the tools given. I have a God given talent to understand electrical systems, and every repair shop, from dealers to independents, looked at me as if I was gold walking through the door. During my mid to late 20’s, I was working at an auto body and fender shop, and a automotive repair shop and doing side jobs at the same time, I’d developed a customer base that shops would kill for. From 89 till the later part of 1990 I worked as a manager for an independent repair shop, driving the tow truck and car carrier, and repairing automobiles. I accomplished everything without ever going to school. As education goes, I towed a car to a vocational college, and while waiting to get paid for the tow, I saw a young man struggling to diagnose a no start, so I showed him what was wrong. The instructor saw me and thought that I just lucked up on that diagnosis. So he asked me to diagnose three other cars, and I did them within 15 minutes, remember I was on a tow and had to get back to the shop. He asked if towing cars and mechanics was all I did, and I told him no, I also did auto body and fender work, and electrical systems. He begged me to follow him to his friend who was doing auto body and fender work. His friend asked me to explain the process, from metal straightening to refinishing and painting, and I did so quickly. Both men asked me would I consider teaching at the college, and I told them that I never finished 9th grade, and was short on time and would consider their offer. I never had a chance to get back to them before my injury, although I would think about them from time to time. As education goes, it would be an advantage to you to completely understand the reason for OBD II systems, and how they operate. Bus systems/networking, I’ve always been successful showing you what I’m capable of rather than rattling on about what I can do. And in conclusion, I would like to add if you want to enjoy doing this kind of work for a long time, “diversify” expand your skill sets.
Hello everyone! Eric this is a great discussion! Well let’s get down to the nuts and bolts of this conversation. I’m a person that believes knowledge is power, your power is governed by your knowledge. I’m 55 years old, and 20 years ago I became paralyzed from the chest down from a (GSW) gun shot wound. I started my career in the automotive industry at the young age of 18 as an auto body and fender apprentice. I spent a year learning the basics from professionals in that field. How do you know who is a professional? This is a part of my intuition, or God given skill set. By my 19th birthday I began learning to be an automotive mechanic, I don’t know about anyone else, but the man that taught me to be a mechanic gave me a screw driver and a pair of channel lock pliers, and told me to take an alternator off 72 eldorado. For those of you that are interested, it took me 2 hours to take the old one off and put the new one on. There was a method to that madness, I had gained this mans respect because the guys that came before me couldn’t demonstrate the creativity necessary to complete that task with the tools given. I have a God given talent to understand electrical systems, and every repair shop, from dealers to independents, looked at me as if I was gold walking through the door. During my mid to late 20’s, I was working at an auto body and fender shop, and a automotive repair shop and doing side jobs at the same time, I’d developed a customer base that shops would kill for. From 89 till the later part of 1990 I worked as a manager for an independent repair shop, driving the tow truck and car carrier, and repairing automobiles. I accomplished everything without ever going to school. As education goes, I towed a car to a vocational college, and while waiting to get paid for the tow, I saw a young man struggling to diagnose a no start, so I showed him what was wrong. The instructor saw me and thought that I just lucked up on that diagnosis. So he asked me to diagnose three other cars, and I did them within 15 minutes, remember I was on a tow and had to get back to the shop. He asked if towing cars and mechanics was all I did, and I told him no, I also did auto body and fender work, and electrical systems. He begged me to follow him to his friend who was doing auto body and fender work. His friend asked me to explain the process, from metal straightening to refinishing and painting, and I did so quickly. Both men asked me would I consider teaching at the college, and I told them that I never finished 9th grade, and was short on time and would consider their offer. I never had a chance to get back to them before my injury, although I would think about them from time to time. As education goes, it would be an advantage to you to completely understand the reason for OBD II systems, and how they operate. Bus systems/networking, I’ve always been successful showing you what I’m capable of rather than rattling on about what I can do. And in conclusion, I would like to add if you want to enjoy doing this kind of work for a long time, “diversify” expand your skill sets.
I’ve been really busy today and couldn’t respond to slipnots post. But when I did get to see his post and found out that he had a power probe, I’m paralyzed and almost fell out my bed. That tool alone is a complement to his efforts. He could have run continuity test on the motor, and supplied voltage to the motor, all with the least amount of effort. “WoW” :whistle:
I’ve been really busy today and couldn’t respond to slipnots post. But when I did get to see his post and found out that he had a power probe, I’m paralyzed and almost fell out my bed. That tool alone is a complement to his efforts. He could have run continuity test on the motor, and supplied voltage to the motor, all with the least amount of effort. “WoW” :whistle:
Hello Wrench Turner & Slipnot 1488!
Pin 11, circuit 729, 20 gauge wire, red with a white tracer, hot at all times, 15amp circuit protection. This is the circuit that supply battery voltage to your “load” or (motor). Pin 10, circuit 298, 10amp circuit protection, is a switchable circuit to power up the control module. I personally would connect a jumper to a good known ground and volley that ground between pins 22 & 21, and use pin 11 to supply battery voltage to pins 22 & 21. If you are going to continue to work with electrical circuits “please take the time to learn how to read wire diagrams” you will save a lot time and money knowing how voltage is used in a circuit. BTW I’ll find and post a link from realfix realfast on youtube that has a course on how to read wire diagrams, this will add to the knowledge you have already. B)
Hello Wrench Turner & Slipnot 1488!
Pin 11, circuit 729, 20 gauge wire, red with a white tracer, hot at all times, 15amp circuit protection. This is the circuit that supply battery voltage to your “load” or (motor). Pin 10, circuit 298, 10amp circuit protection, is a switchable circuit to power up the control module. I personally would connect a jumper to a good known ground and volley that ground between pins 22 & 21, and use pin 11 to supply battery voltage to pins 22 & 21. If you are going to continue to work with electrical circuits “please take the time to learn how to read wire diagrams” you will save a lot time and money knowing how voltage is used in a circuit. BTW I’ll find and post a link from realfix realfast on youtube that has a course on how to read wire diagrams, this will add to the knowledge you have already. B)
Hi Sparks! I’ve had my PPIII for almost two years now. I paid $260+ for the combo kit that comes with the ECT2000, the ECT2000 is a very useful tool when it comes down to finding open circuits or shorts to ground. It has a transmitter that puts out a low voltage signal to whatever circuit that may be of concern to you, and a hand size receiver that allows you to track the signal without the need to open the wire harness. It is really useful if you can read wire diagrams, and have access to connector locations and pin positions within the connectors. But again! Even without the diagrams you still have an advantage, because you don’t have to waist time tracking a blue wire with a white tracer through that harness, which can take a lot of your time. The receiver shows you which way to go, or if you have taken a wrong turn. FYI a month after I received my PPIII, they came out with the PPHOOK, and the hook is really amazing :whistle: 🙁 To see what it’s capable of check out the powerprobe.com site, now I would like to upgrade B)