[Tom Yuhas]

The ’98 Honda is alive! It turns out that the flywheel(ring gear) was turning against the torque converter. The six welds had all broken and the starter would engage the teeth on the flywheel but it was spinning the flywheel around the torque converter. This caused that metal on metal sound that you hear in the videos. Under compression (spark plugs in) there was not enough friction to spin the motor. With spark plugs removed it would have enough friction to eventually spin the motor.
So we placed six one inch welds where they were cracked and reinstalled the starter. First turn of the key it started!
Maybe we will get another 191K miles before it breaks again.

My thanks to the members of the forum for their suggestions and to Eric for his expertise and his great videos.
I have learned a lot and it was fun getting my old Honda back.

Thanks,
Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

The ’98 Honda is alive! It turns out that the flywheel(ring gear) was turning against the torque converter. The six welds had all broken and the starter would engage the teeth on the flywheel but it was spinning the flywheel around the torque converter. This caused that metal on metal sound that you hear in the videos. Under compression (spark plugs in) there was not enough friction to spin the motor. With spark plugs removed it would have enough friction to eventually spin the motor.
So we placed six one inch welds where they were cracked and reinstalled the starter. First turn of the key it started!
Maybe we will get another 191K miles before it breaks again.

My thanks to the members of the forum for their suggestions and to Eric for his expertise and his great videos.
I have learned a lot and it was fun getting my old Honda back.

Thanks,
Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

This second video is of the car without any plugs present. It will catch the flywheel and turn the rotor and the pulleys. Notice the obvious difference in the sound between the two short videos.

Any thoughts?

Thanks for your help,
Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

This second video is of the car without any plugs present. It will catch the flywheel and turn the rotor and the pulleys. Notice the obvious difference in the sound between the two short videos.

Any thoughts?

Thanks for your help,
Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

Lets see if this works.
I have posted a video of the car attempting to start. The plugs are in.
This is an automatic trans and a timing belt replace at 100K.
Car has 191K miles now.

[Tom Yuhas]

Lets see if this works.
I have posted a video of the car attempting to start. The plugs are in.
This is an automatic trans and a timing belt replace at 100K.
Car has 191K miles now.

[Tom Yuhas]

I was able to do some voltage readings. Also I cleaned the terminals and the battery posts with a wire brush.
Battery: 12.26Volts. According to Eric that is a tad low.
Voltage drop; Neg of battery to housing of starter was 72-80mV. Well below the .25V max suggested by Eric.
Voltage drop; Pos of battery to Pos terminal on starter was 88-99mV. Also well below the .7V maximum suggested.

So this all looks good except for a slight low reading on battery itself.

I am going to try to post YouTube videos of what it looks like and sounds like.

Thanks for your help,
Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

I was able to do some voltage readings. Also I cleaned the terminals and the battery posts with a wire brush.
Battery: 12.26Volts. According to Eric that is a tad low.
Voltage drop; Neg of battery to housing of starter was 72-80mV. Well below the .25V max suggested by Eric.
Voltage drop; Pos of battery to Pos terminal on starter was 88-99mV. Also well below the .7V maximum suggested.

So this all looks good except for a slight low reading on battery itself.

I am going to try to post YouTube videos of what it looks like and sounds like.

Thanks for your help,
Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

LandRover,
Thanks for the reply. I just do not know what the inside fastener is. Not sure how to attempt this shim technique.

I hope to get voltage readings and learn how to upload to YouTube and then link to it. I really think if you could hear what it is doing you would know exactly what is wrong.

Thanks for your help,
Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

LandRover,
Thanks for the reply. I just do not know what the inside fastener is. Not sure how to attempt this shim technique.

I hope to get voltage readings and learn how to upload to YouTube and then link to it. I really think if you could hear what it is doing you would know exactly what is wrong.

Thanks for your help,
Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

The noise is from the area of the starter and it is a metal on metal sound. I have a video that demonstrates this but I was not able to download a video.

I will clean all terminals, charge the battery and do a voltage drop test as I saw Eric do in a video.
I will take pictures of the wear pattern on the new starter teeth and try to get a picture of the flywheel teeth.

I have watched the video of Eric’s on Shimming a Starter- however I do not understand where the shims are placed. If my starter is indeed not engaging enough tooth surface of the flywheel how would a shim make it engage more tooth. To me a shim would make even less contact not more. Video did not show where to place the shim. The starter I removed did not have shims and the new rebuilt starter did not have shims.

Thanks for the help,

Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

The noise is from the area of the starter and it is a metal on metal sound. I have a video that demonstrates this but I was not able to download a video.

I will clean all terminals, charge the battery and do a voltage drop test as I saw Eric do in a video.
I will take pictures of the wear pattern on the new starter teeth and try to get a picture of the flywheel teeth.

I have watched the video of Eric’s on Shimming a Starter- however I do not understand where the shims are placed. If my starter is indeed not engaging enough tooth surface of the flywheel how would a shim make it engage more tooth. To me a shim would make even less contact not more. Video did not show where to place the shim. The starter I removed did not have shims and the new rebuilt starter did not have shims.

Thanks for the help,

Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

I am not able to load the small video file in a .ZIP file extension.

Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

I am not able to load the small video file in a .ZIP file extension.

Tom

[Tom Yuhas]

Let’s try this.

Sorry,

Tom

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