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[quote=”Raistian77″ post=79277]
Eric, I think you misunderstand me. I do not think it is a bad procedure and I do not think you are wrong.
But as a shop owner and technician if the customer were to have an incident he could use that repair to his advantage. And because a judge and jury are not technicians all they would hear is “cut up the wheel studs” and would probably pass a bad judgment on the shop. I tend to look at allot of things from a tort viewpoint after having been sued myself, I won because I could prove I warned the customer of the impending failure and I showed were I did follow protocol for the repair I did do.
So please do not think I am criticizing or judging your repair, all I am saying is that modifying a wheel stud could be the greatest gift an ambulance chaser ever got.[/quote]
If there was an accident I cant see 1 or 2 lugs out of the 5 or 6 on a wheel as being the cause so any lawsuit chasing that would be pretty thin in my opinion. Its a redundant system intentionally and tire shops across America snap or cross thread studs daily and most people are oblivious to the fact until it rolls into another shop. Having said that i’d never do this to the majority of the studs either. I just wouldn’t be comfortable with it. 1 or 2 on a wheel that has 5 or 6, okay, but all or nearly all? Not for me.
[quote=”Raistian77″ post=79277]
Eric, I think you misunderstand me. I do not think it is a bad procedure and I do not think you are wrong.
But as a shop owner and technician if the customer were to have an incident he could use that repair to his advantage. And because a judge and jury are not technicians all they would hear is “cut up the wheel studs” and would probably pass a bad judgment on the shop. I tend to look at allot of things from a tort viewpoint after having been sued myself, I won because I could prove I warned the customer of the impending failure and I showed were I did follow protocol for the repair I did do.
So please do not think I am criticizing or judging your repair, all I am saying is that modifying a wheel stud could be the greatest gift an ambulance chaser ever got.[/quote]
If there was an accident I cant see 1 or 2 lugs out of the 5 or 6 on a wheel as being the cause so any lawsuit chasing that would be pretty thin in my opinion. Its a redundant system intentionally and tire shops across America snap or cross thread studs daily and most people are oblivious to the fact until it rolls into another shop. Having said that i’d never do this to the majority of the studs either. I just wouldn’t be comfortable with it. 1 or 2 on a wheel that has 5 or 6, okay, but all or nearly all? Not for me.
[quote=”EricTheCarGuy” post=79095][quote=”brandy” post=79057]Long live cars with wheel bolts. No such problems there :P[/quote]
Except when you’re trying to mount an 80lb tire while you line up the bolts. :)[/quote]
There is a fairly nice tool to help with that and inexpensive especially if you work on a lot of vehicles with lug bolts.
http://www.reverselogic.us/lug-bolt-guides.html
As far as the feedback, many people would see that as something that you either do right or don’t do at all. But as you said can anyone actually claim doing that is worse than not doing anything. As long as the owner understood what was going to happen i’d have no problem doing it on a heap but that’s me. Many people on the internets are hysterical and clueless. If they want to be worried about something be worried about the people out there who have their vehicles held together with bailing wire or have metal to metal brakes. And there are a lot. Cant really pay the vocal minority any mind.
[quote=”EricTheCarGuy” post=79095][quote=”brandy” post=79057]Long live cars with wheel bolts. No such problems there :P[/quote]
Except when you’re trying to mount an 80lb tire while you line up the bolts. :)[/quote]
There is a fairly nice tool to help with that and inexpensive especially if you work on a lot of vehicles with lug bolts.
http://www.reverselogic.us/lug-bolt-guides.html
As far as the feedback, many people would see that as something that you either do right or don’t do at all. But as you said can anyone actually claim doing that is worse than not doing anything. As long as the owner understood what was going to happen i’d have no problem doing it on a heap but that’s me. Many people on the internets are hysterical and clueless. If they want to be worried about something be worried about the people out there who have their vehicles held together with bailing wire or have metal to metal brakes. And there are a lot. Cant really pay the vocal minority any mind.
Maybe in theory. In actuality what you’d probably end up doing is damaging the comb where it attaches to the cat housing. Keep in mind cats operate their best at temperatures below 1000 degrees Fahrenheit which is well below the temp of a torch tip so it could even be argued that “heat cleaning” doesn’t even make sense.
In my experience if a cat is junk, its junk. There is no quick fix. Sure you can drive hard on the highway for awhile to get the comb to a more efficient temp and maybe pass an emissions test but ultimately its still a bad cat. Modern vehicles with stricter and stricter requirements have essentially made the things pass / fail. In other words either its working fine or its not and needs to be replaced, preferably with OE.
Raistian, Toluene is a normal additive to gasoline. Its one of the most common addatives to increase the octane level.
Maybe in theory. In actuality what you’d probably end up doing is damaging the comb where it attaches to the cat housing. Keep in mind cats operate their best at temperatures below 1000 degrees Fahrenheit which is well below the temp of a torch tip so it could even be argued that “heat cleaning” doesn’t even make sense.
In my experience if a cat is junk, its junk. There is no quick fix. Sure you can drive hard on the highway for awhile to get the comb to a more efficient temp and maybe pass an emissions test but ultimately its still a bad cat. Modern vehicles with stricter and stricter requirements have essentially made the things pass / fail. In other words either its working fine or its not and needs to be replaced, preferably with OE.
Raistian, Toluene is a normal additive to gasoline. Its one of the most common addatives to increase the octane level.