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A lower intake gasket leak is certainly a possibility, but strange IAC behavior has been there for a while. The original had to be plugged in, key on, then unplugged.. Rinse and repeat a few times, otherwise I would have a super high idle that wouldn’t self correct. That was the first one. The joy pull and the new ones worked using the key on, key off approach. My freeze frame for the po171 comes on at idle or at 1000+ rpm. The fuel pump is new, the ignition minus plugs is new.
A lower intake gasket leak is certainly a possibility, but strange IAC behavior has been there for a while. The original had to be plugged in, key on, then unplugged.. Rinse and repeat a few times, otherwise I would have a super high idle that wouldn’t self correct. That was the first one. The joy pull and the new ones worked using the key on, key off approach. My freeze frame for the po171 comes on at idle or at 1000+ rpm. The fuel pump is new, the ignition minus plugs is new.
I’d have to agree that looking at the EGR would be the starting point. If it’s malfunctioning, I could see getting rich and lean codes due to the amount of extra air entering the system when it’s not supposed to, and the computer is adjusting for that, then sees a rich condition when the EGR isn’t affecting combustion as much.
Good chance the valve is sticking. Of course, the Generator code could have something to do with it, but I’d say it’s less likely a problem affecting idle quality if the vehicle starts and drives and doesn’t die due to a run down battery.
I’d have to agree that looking at the EGR would be the starting point. If it’s malfunctioning, I could see getting rich and lean codes due to the amount of extra air entering the system when it’s not supposed to, and the computer is adjusting for that, then sees a rich condition when the EGR isn’t affecting combustion as much.
Good chance the valve is sticking. Of course, the Generator code could have something to do with it, but I’d say it’s less likely a problem affecting idle quality if the vehicle starts and drives and doesn’t die due to a run down battery.
Hyundai and Kia ( think of Kia as a sub brand like Pontiac is to GM ) have both realized that they needed to up the quality of their vehicles in the US market, especially when they were losing so much value once they left the lot in the 80’s.
I personally just bought a 2005 Santa Fe after doing a lot of research. We’ve been pleased with it so far. I’ve gone over it pretty thoroughly and scoured the Hyundai message boards for problems with the Santa Fe’s in general. For the most part they were pretty petty problems, and there was some outlining of certain maintenance tasks such as the timing belt that helped me decide if I wanted to take the plunge over the other vehicles we were considering.
While we were out, I had the opportunity to drive a newer Santa Fe ( 07 ) and sit in a few of the brand new ones ( the Elantra, Sonota and Veloster ). Each impressed me with build quality, fit and finish and pricing. I drove a 2011 Sonota as a rental car and really liked it. I was averaging 32mpg and felt the ride was comfortable. This experience is what led me to the Santa Fe as a replacement for our aging Ford Explorer. We looked at the Honda Element as an option and while I really liked the vehicle, it just wasn’t the perfect fit for us.
On the plus side, at least for the Santa Fe, it had excellent crash test ratings and reviewers that wrote about them that had been in accidents with them relayed as much. My insurance went up 20 bucks a year from full coverage on the 96 Explorer to the 2005 Santa Fe with the same coverage.
Hyundai and Kia ( think of Kia as a sub brand like Pontiac is to GM ) have both realized that they needed to up the quality of their vehicles in the US market, especially when they were losing so much value once they left the lot in the 80’s.
I personally just bought a 2005 Santa Fe after doing a lot of research. We’ve been pleased with it so far. I’ve gone over it pretty thoroughly and scoured the Hyundai message boards for problems with the Santa Fe’s in general. For the most part they were pretty petty problems, and there was some outlining of certain maintenance tasks such as the timing belt that helped me decide if I wanted to take the plunge over the other vehicles we were considering.
While we were out, I had the opportunity to drive a newer Santa Fe ( 07 ) and sit in a few of the brand new ones ( the Elantra, Sonota and Veloster ). Each impressed me with build quality, fit and finish and pricing. I drove a 2011 Sonota as a rental car and really liked it. I was averaging 32mpg and felt the ride was comfortable. This experience is what led me to the Santa Fe as a replacement for our aging Ford Explorer. We looked at the Honda Element as an option and while I really liked the vehicle, it just wasn’t the perfect fit for us.
On the plus side, at least for the Santa Fe, it had excellent crash test ratings and reviewers that wrote about them that had been in accidents with them relayed as much. My insurance went up 20 bucks a year from full coverage on the 96 Explorer to the 2005 Santa Fe with the same coverage.
[quote=”drthrift035″ post=68368]Wow. You and I are cut from the same cloth. I always go out of my way to see to it that things are taken care of properly for my customers. When you make a good name for yourself things work out much better in life. I also do my best to educate the customer. People don’t like to be left in the dark and feel powerless when then don’t know what is going on. Great point. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.[/quote]
You as well! My vacation stunk due to me pulling a muscle in my back on Wednesday…had lots planned, mostly working on my van and installing a floor for my mother in law. That’s the only problem with the way I work…I rarely have a good spread of time for myself. I’d bet you find yourself in the same situation.
I think it’s a global truth that nobody likes to be left in the dark, and when they are, that’s when they start to think, and when they don’t know what to think, they think bad things. That’s when things get ugly.
[quote=”drthrift035″ post=68368]Wow. You and I are cut from the same cloth. I always go out of my way to see to it that things are taken care of properly for my customers. When you make a good name for yourself things work out much better in life. I also do my best to educate the customer. People don’t like to be left in the dark and feel powerless when then don’t know what is going on. Great point. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.[/quote]
You as well! My vacation stunk due to me pulling a muscle in my back on Wednesday…had lots planned, mostly working on my van and installing a floor for my mother in law. That’s the only problem with the way I work…I rarely have a good spread of time for myself. I’d bet you find yourself in the same situation.
I think it’s a global truth that nobody likes to be left in the dark, and when they are, that’s when they start to think, and when they don’t know what to think, they think bad things. That’s when things get ugly.
Or more like, how do you draw a home mechanic into your shop? There doesn’t seem to be much appreciation from professional mechanics to the guy that knows how to get most things done, but needs a helping hand from time to time to get the job done. That’s really the gist of my question. It kind of goes along with the whole customer service issue and taking the time to talk to a customer. I don’t want to chat the technicians ear off, but I want them to understand what level I’m coming from. I’m not out to snipe work from the guy, I just want to know that we are both on the same page when it comes to working on the car I rely on every day. When I find a mechanic like that, they’ll get more than just my money.
Or more like, how do you draw a home mechanic into your shop? There doesn’t seem to be much appreciation from professional mechanics to the guy that knows how to get most things done, but needs a helping hand from time to time to get the job done. That’s really the gist of my question. It kind of goes along with the whole customer service issue and taking the time to talk to a customer. I don’t want to chat the technicians ear off, but I want them to understand what level I’m coming from. I’m not out to snipe work from the guy, I just want to know that we are both on the same page when it comes to working on the car I rely on every day. When I find a mechanic like that, they’ll get more than just my money.
Yup, as the guy trying to get people to come to his shop, that’s definitely key…what about the guy that’s trying to find a shop though? I’ve always struggled with automotive ads…y’know the kind where they say 10% shop labor, or buy 3 tires, get one free….prices starting at blah blah blah.
I see those ads all the time. How do you draw a skeptic like myself into your shop?
Yup, as the guy trying to get people to come to his shop, that’s definitely key…what about the guy that’s trying to find a shop though? I’ve always struggled with automotive ads…y’know the kind where they say 10% shop labor, or buy 3 tires, get one free….prices starting at blah blah blah.
I see those ads all the time. How do you draw a skeptic like myself into your shop?
Usually that’s due to not upgrading to a digital flasher instead of the old analog one, or getting the appropriate resistors designed to allow normal flashing.
I do agree that getting the proper bulb is the way to go, but in a pinch it’s good knowledge to have that another bulb will work temporarily. It’s always good to pursue knowledge, even if it’s something as simple as bulb terminology and deciphering the numbers. There’s a reason the manufacturers use particular bulbs, and there’s a reason they are labeled the way they are as well…everyone is going to have to replace an automotive bulb at least once in their lives.
Usually that’s due to not upgrading to a digital flasher instead of the old analog one, or getting the appropriate resistors designed to allow normal flashing.
I do agree that getting the proper bulb is the way to go, but in a pinch it’s good knowledge to have that another bulb will work temporarily. It’s always good to pursue knowledge, even if it’s something as simple as bulb terminology and deciphering the numbers. There’s a reason the manufacturers use particular bulbs, and there’s a reason they are labeled the way they are as well…everyone is going to have to replace an automotive bulb at least once in their lives.
In the end ultimately, it really depends on the discussion that took place with the customer-the tone that was taken by both parties and how the situation “feels”. If both parties go into it hard headed, then the resolution is going to be harder fought than if both parties go into it with understanding.
Showing the customer the badly rusted link and explaining to them that the other side will likely fail due to the same cause should resonate with the customer unless they are completely clueless. If that’s the case, then you either keep it simple and just tell them that they break on vehicles often due to corrosion, or go into detail if you think they can keep up with the discussion.
I don’t work on cars for a living, but I do deal with customers on site every day. I make sure that anytime I get the opportunity to educate my customers, I take that time to fill their head with as much information as I can stuff in it, not to mention get to know them on a semi personal nature. For me, it makes the customer comfortable knowing the guy working in their house has a personal interest in what they have hired him to do. I get fewer call backs from the customers that I get to talk to than the ones I don’t. Every job I do, no matter how big or how small gets the highest degree of customer service that I can dish out…I go out of my way to make my customers happy. I work longer hours for it, and sometimes get roped into doing things outside of my line of work, but it makes me happy knowing that I’m out there helping people out and I do it without expectation of recompense.
A small investment in time pays bigger dividends than taking the money and just doing my job.