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  • in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #583233
    MantasMantas
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      Maybe a clogged cat can cause that bucking on acceleration/rough idle/loss of power/increased fuel consumption problems? I’ve tried to unscrew O2 sensor (pre cat) and test drive, but nothing changed. But maybe a hole, created by unscrewed pre cat O2 sensor is not big enough to make a difference? Pre cat O2 sensor voltage fluctuates all the time (0.1-0.9V) when driving at constant speed, and O2 sensor after cat shows “rich” (0.8-0.9V) which is good, I suppose, and shows that cat is working – at least to some degree. But maybe it still can be clogged? Engine burns oil a bit, so I quess there is such possibility that cat is clogged

      in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #576493
      MantasMantas
      Participant

        Maybe a clogged cat can cause that bucking on acceleration/rough idle/loss of power/increased fuel consumption problems? I’ve tried to unscrew O2 sensor (pre cat) and test drive, but nothing changed. But maybe a hole, created by unscrewed pre cat O2 sensor is not big enough to make a difference? Pre cat O2 sensor voltage fluctuates all the time (0.1-0.9V) when driving at constant speed, and O2 sensor after cat shows “rich” (0.8-0.9V) which is good, I suppose, and shows that cat is working – at least to some degree. But maybe it still can be clogged? Engine burns oil a bit, so I quess there is such possibility that cat is clogged

        in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #581871
        MantasMantas
        Participant

          Well, injectors do spray fuel. FPR vacuum line does not have a smell of it. Tried to remove FRP’s vac line, cap it and drive. No improvement, rough idle and bucking are still there. Removing spark plug wires one by one at idle seems to add the same amount of engine shaking.

          in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #575173
          MantasMantas
          Participant

            Well, injectors do spray fuel. FPR vacuum line does not have a smell of it. Tried to remove FRP’s vac line, cap it and drive. No improvement, rough idle and bucking are still there. Removing spark plug wires one by one at idle seems to add the same amount of engine shaking.

            in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #573933
            MantasMantas
            Participant

              Maybe somebody can suggest what else to check?

              in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #580538
              MantasMantas
              Participant

                Maybe somebody can suggest what else to check?

                in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #571746
                MantasMantas
                Participant

                  So, any other ideas on where to look and what to do?

                  in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #578342
                  MantasMantas
                  Participant

                    So, any other ideas on where to look and what to do?

                    in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #570846
                    MantasMantas
                    Participant

                      Cyl. 1 – 203PSI (14BARS)
                      Cyl. 2 – 195PSI (13.5BARS)
                      Cyl. 3 – 203PSI (14BARS)
                      Cyl. 4 – 210PSI (14.5BARS)

                      Manual states, that difference between cylinders can be up to 2 bars (29PSI) so it’s up to spec I quess. Tested on hot and cold engine, results were the same.

                      in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #577399
                      MantasMantas
                      Participant

                        Cyl. 1 – 203PSI (14BARS)
                        Cyl. 2 – 195PSI (13.5BARS)
                        Cyl. 3 – 203PSI (14BARS)
                        Cyl. 4 – 210PSI (14.5BARS)

                        Manual states, that difference between cylinders can be up to 2 bars (29PSI) so it’s up to spec I quess. Tested on hot and cold engine, results were the same.

                        in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #570751
                        MantasMantas
                        Participant

                          As I understand, everytime I release and then hit the gas, ECU sharply retards timing (from let’s say 27 degrees BTDC to 8.5 degrees BTDC) and STFT gets very high – up to 20 and the car bucks/jerks. What could be the cause?

                          in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #577299
                          MantasMantas
                          Participant

                            As I understand, everytime I release and then hit the gas, ECU sharply retards timing (from let’s say 27 degrees BTDC to 8.5 degrees BTDC) and STFT gets very high – up to 20 and the car bucks/jerks. What could be the cause?

                            in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #570600
                            MantasMantas
                            Participant

                              Here is an attached file (TrackLog-2014-Jan-08_20-49-55.csv). It can be viewed by a free CSV viewer o Microsoft Exel. It contains STFT, LTFT, MAP, TPS, timing advance and RPM data. What I did was I drove a car pushing it tu buck/jerk – suddenly accelerate hard and then release gas. Maybe somebody can comment that data?

                              STFT LTFT MAP(kPA) TPS (%) Timing adv. RPM

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                              17.9687 -0.78125 17 – – 9.01960754 11 2222
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                              in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #577132
                              MantasMantas
                              Participant

                                Here is an attached file (TrackLog-2014-Jan-08_20-49-55.csv). It can be viewed by a free CSV viewer o Microsoft Exel. It contains STFT, LTFT, MAP, TPS, timing advance and RPM data. What I did was I drove a car pushing it tu buck/jerk – suddenly accelerate hard and then release gas. Maybe somebody can comment that data?

                                STFT LTFT MAP(kPA) TPS (%) Timing adv. RPM

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                                -3.90625 0 28 – – 9.01960754 13.5 751.5
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                                7.8125 -0.78125 55 – – 16.47058868 22.5 1554
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                                0.78125 -0.78125 47 – – 16.47058868 26 1554
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                                in reply to: Honda Accord 2002 F18B2 jerking/rough idle #570528
                                MantasMantas
                                Participant

                                  Been there, done that. Timing belt is in good condition, not loose, mechanical timing is right. Timing is controlled only by ECU, distributor does not rotate. CYP/TDC/CKP sensors resistances are within specs, no CEL. Can timing be still bad? Possibly timing can be too advanced on moments of sudden acceleration, I even have sensor logs the moments of bucking, including timing advance numbers, but i can’t say if timing that ECU chooses to set is right or not at these moments. As I understand right input from many various sensors is important for ECU to set the right timing. Maybe some sensor can be “half bad” and sends wrong data, but not enough “wrong” to set a CEL? On idle timing is 12 degrees – as it should be (OBD2 scantool shows that, not a timing light, but i’m pretty sure this data is true). One thing I’m sure of – sparkplug in 2-nd cylinder ir much whiter that the other three, take a look: http://i39.tinypic.com/2vxlqu0.jpg and this is most probably the core of the problem. Probably 2-nd cylinder gets leaner mixture because of something (no vacuum leak I can find) or it has some machanical issue (but shows good compression – 13.5 bars (195PSI)). Don’t know where to look and what to do…

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