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  • in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #500926
    Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
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      PASSKEY 3 AND PASSKEY 3+

      In this system, the vehicle theft deterrent functions are provided by the theft deterrent control module. There is a transponder embedded in the head of the key that becomes energized by the exciter coils in the ignition lock cylinder when the ignition switch is turned on. The energized transponder now transmits a signal containing a unique value to the theft deterrent control module. If the module accepts this value, then there is an additional communication that takes place between the module and the key. If the module and the key agree, then the module sends the fuel enable password to the PCM. If the PCM recognizes the password, then the vehicle starts and runs normally. If any of the communication between the module and the key is incorrect or the PCM does not recognize the password, then the fuel injectors are disabled. The ignition key is a normal looking key with no visible contacts as in the Passkey or VATS systems. The transponder is located in the key head. The transponder value is fixed and cannot be changed. These keys are usually identified by the letters PK3, or PK3+ stamped into the steel body. A relearn will be necessary if any of the following have been replaced: any key, the theft deterrent control module or the powertrain control module (PCM). When the theft control module is being replaced, the module will learn the existing keys immediately. However, the PCM must learn the new fuel enable password from the new module. If you are replacing a PCM with a PCM that has been used in another vehicle or has been remanufactured, then a relearn must be performed in order for the PCM to learn the fuel enable password. Keep in mind that when you perform a relearn on this system, all previously learned keys will be erased from the theft deterrent control module’s memory. Any additional keys may be relearned immediately after the first relearn has been performed by inserting the additional key and turning the ignition switch to the “On” position within ten seconds of removing the previously learned key.

      In order to initiate the relearn process:

      1. Insert a master key (black head) into the ignition switch.

      2. Turn to the “On” position without starting the engine. The security light should illuminate and stay on.

      3. Wait approximately 10 minutes or until the security light turns off.

      4. Turn off the ignition switch and wait 5 seconds.

      5. Repeat steps 2 through 4 two more times with the same key.

      6. Turn the ignition off. The vehicle will now learn the key transponder information on the next start cycle.

      7. Start the vehicle. If vehicle starts and runs normally, and security light is off, the relearn is complete.

      If additional keys are to be relearned:

      8. Turn the vehicle off.

      9. Insert the next key to be learned and turn the ignition switch to the “On” position within 10 seconds of removing the previously used key.

      10. Wait for the security light to turn off. It should happen quickly. You may not even notice the light come on, because it will learn the key transponder immediately.

      11. Repeat steps 8 through 10 for any additional keys.

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      CRANKSHAFT VARIATION RELEARN (CASE Learn)

      ”CASE” means: crankshaft angle sensor error. A crankshaft variation relearn must be performed if:

      A diagnostic trouble code of P1336 is present.

      The computer has been replaced or re-programmed.

      The crankshaft position sensor has been replaced.

      The engine, harmonic balancer, clutch, or flywheel have been: disassembled, removed, or replaced.

      The crankshaft position variation learning feature enables the computer to compensate for part manufacturing tolerances. This allows the computer to accurately detect an engine misfire throughout the engine RPM range. The learning process is stored in the computer’s memory and does not have to be repeated unless one or more of the above conditions are present.

      To perform the relearn, proceed as follows:

      Connect a scan tool to make sure there are no trouble codes stored in the computer’s memory. If there is any power train trouble code other than P1336 (Crankshaft Position Variation not learned), the computer will disable the relearn function until the problem that aused the code has been eliminated. Also, make sure that the engine coolant (check it when the engine is cold) and oil levels are at an acceptable level.

      1. Set the parking brake and block the drive wheels. Make sure that the hood is closed.

      2. Start the engine and make sure that the engine coolant temperature is at least 158 degrees F. (70 degrees C.)

      3. Turn the engine off for at least 10 seconds.

      4. Select the crankshaft position variation learn procedure (CASE Learn)on your scan tool.

      5. Make sure that the transmission is in Park. Start the engine.

      6. Apply the brakes and hold the pedal firmly.

      7. Follow the scan tool instructions.

      Remember: That you are going to increase the engine speed to approximately 3000 RPM, 4000 RPM, or 5150 RPM. That’s the variation learn fuel cutoff RPM (depending upon the engine), and that it’s important to release the throttle when the engine RPM starts to decrease as a result of the fuel cutoff going into effect. Failure to do such will result in over revving of the engine, causing possible engine damage.

      8. Once the engine has returned to idle, check the status of Diagnostic trouble code P1336. If the scan tool indicates that the CASE has been learned, the relearn procedure is now complete. If CASE has not been learned, check for the presence of other power train codes. If any exist, correct the problem, then repeat this procedure.

      NOTE: If the Crankshaft Variation Relearn is not accessible through your scan tool (some truck applications 1998 & later), perform the relearn in the following manner:

      1. Turn off all of the accessories. With the Air temperature sensor and Coolant temperature within 5 degrees (Centigrade) of each other, start the engine and let it idle in Park or Neutral for two minutes.

      2. Accelerate the vehicle to 55 mph at part throttle. Cruise at 55 mph for 8- 10 minutes until the engine reaches operating temperature.

      3. Cruise at 55 mph for another 5-6 minutes.

      4. Decelerate to 45 mph without using the brakes, and maintain 45 mph for 1 minute.

      5. Perform 4 deceleration cycles, without using the brakes, of 25 seconds each where no specific speed is necessary. Returning to 45 mph for 15 seconds in between deceleration cycles.

      6. Accelerate to 55 mph and cruise for 2 minutes.

      7. Stop the vehicle and idle for 2 minutes with the brake applied and the transmission in Drive (automatic trans.) or Neutral (manual trans.) with the clutch depressed. Refer to diagram A on page 8.

      BASE IDLE RELEARN

      The Computer will reset the idle air control valve whenever the ignition switch is turned to the “On” position, then to the “Off” position. However, before you return the car to the customer, it is best to bring the engine up to operating temperature in Park with the air conditioning off. Then, turn the air conditioning on. Next, turn the air conditioning off. Next, place the transmission selector in drive. Finally, with the car in Drive, turn the air conditioning on. That’s it!

      DIESEL ENGINE TDC OFFSET RELEARN PROCEDURES

      This procedure should only be performed when one or more of the following has occurred:

      1. A diagnostic trouble code of P1214 (TDC offset not established) is present.

      2. The engine has been replaced.

      3. The front engine cover has been replaced.

      4. The PCM with or without the injection pump has been replaced.

      5. The crankshaft position sensor has been replaced.

      NOTE: Replacement of the only the injection pump does not require this procedure.

      In order to initiate the relearn:

      1. Hook up your scan tool.

      2. Start the engine and idle engine until coolant temperature is at least 170 degrees F.

      3. Clear any diagnostic trouble codes, if any. Then turn the engine off.

      4. Turn the ignition switch to the “On” position. Do not start the engine.

      5. Prepare the PCM to activate the offset relearn by placing and holding the accelerator pedal in the fully open position for no less than 45 seconds. Then release the pedal.

      6. Turn the ignition switch to the “Off” position for 30 seconds. To confirm that the PCM has powered down, you should get a “No communication with vehicle” message on your scan tool.

      7. Now start the engine and make sure that the coolant temperature is 170 degrees F or higher.

      8. As soon as the engine coolant has reached 170 degrees F. and the engine speed is below 1500 RPM, the PCM will automatically learn the new TDC offset. A slight stumble in engine RPM is indicative that the new TDC has been activated.

      9. Verify the TDC offset reading on your scan tool. The TDC offset should be between -0.25 and –0.75 degrees. If the TDC offset is within the specification, the relearn is completed. If the offset is out of specification then the injection pump must be adjusted. If the injection pump has not been replaced or adjusted and the TDC offset is very high on the positive side, then check for damage on the camshaft driven gear or key-way. If the TDC offset is very high on the negative side, check the crankshaft sensor for proper installation.

      TRANSMISSION RELEARN

      There is no relearn procedure other than to drive the vehicle. It is best to road test the vehicle, as the PCM will relearn the adaptive pressure shift points for proper transmission operation. The transmission may not shift as usual until the shift points have been learned. It is recommended that the first shift sequence be performed manually. Shift the transmission from low (first) gear to overdrive, one gear at a time, under moderate acceleration. If you turn the vehicle over to the customer without a road test, you may want to call this to their attention.

      in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #502593
      Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
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        I found this
        PASSKEY 3 AND PASSKEY 3+

        In this system, the vehicle theft deterrent functions are provided by the theft deterrent control module. There is a transponder embedded in the head of the key that becomes energized by the exciter coils in the ignition lock cylinder when the ignition switch is turned on. The energized transponder now transmits a signal containing a unique value to the theft deterrent control module. If the module accepts this value, then there is an additional communication that takes place between the module and the key. If the module and the key agree, then the module sends the fuel enable password to the PCM. If the PCM recognizes the password, then the vehicle starts and runs normally. If any of the communication between the module and the key is incorrect or the PCM does not recognize the password, then the fuel injectors are disabled. The ignition key is a normal looking key with no visible contacts as in the Passkey or VATS systems. The transponder is located in the key head. The transponder value is fixed and cannot be changed. These keys are usually identified by the letters PK3, or PK3+ stamped into the steel body. A relearn will be necessary if any of the following have been replaced: any key, the theft deterrent control module or the powertrain control module (PCM). When the theft control module is being replaced, the module will learn the existing keys immediately. However, the PCM must learn the new fuel enable password from the new module. If you are replacing a PCM with a PCM that has been used in another vehicle or has been remanufactured, then a relearn must be performed in order for the PCM to learn the fuel enable password. Keep in mind that when you perform a relearn on this system, all previously learned keys will be erased from the theft deterrent control module’s memory. Any additional keys may be relearned immediately after the first relearn has been performed by inserting the additional key and turning the ignition switch to the “On” position within ten seconds of removing the previously learned key.

        In order to initiate the relearn process:

        1. Insert a master key (black head) into the ignition switch.

        2. Turn to the “On” position without starting the engine. The security light should illuminate and stay on.

        3. Wait approximately 10 minutes or until the security light turns off.

        4. Turn off the ignition switch and wait 5 seconds.

        5. Repeat steps 2 through 4 two more times with the same key.

        6. Turn the ignition off. The vehicle will now learn the key transponder information on the next start cycle.

        7. Start the vehicle. If vehicle starts and runs normally, and security light is off, the relearn is complete.

        If additional keys are to be relearned:

        8. Turn the vehicle off.

        9. Insert the next key to be learned and turn the ignition switch to the “On” position within 10 seconds of removing the previously used key.

        10. Wait for the security light to turn off. It should happen quickly. You may not even notice the light come on, because it will learn the key transponder immediately.

        11. Repeat steps 8 through 10 for any additional keys.

        Default

        CRANKSHAFT VARIATION RELEARN (CASE Learn)

        ”CASE” means: crankshaft angle sensor error. A crankshaft variation relearn must be performed if:

        A diagnostic trouble code of P1336 is present.

        The computer has been replaced or re-programmed.

        The crankshaft position sensor has been replaced.

        The engine, harmonic balancer, clutch, or flywheel have been: disassembled, removed, or replaced.

        The crankshaft position variation learning feature enables the computer to compensate for part manufacturing tolerances. This allows the computer to accurately detect an engine misfire throughout the engine RPM range. The learning process is stored in the computer’s memory and does not have to be repeated unless one or more of the above conditions are present.

        To perform the relearn, proceed as follows:

        Connect a scan tool to make sure there are no trouble codes stored in the computer’s memory. If there is any power train trouble code other than P1336 (Crankshaft Position Variation not learned), the computer will disable the relearn function until the problem that aused the code has been eliminated. Also, make sure that the engine coolant (check it when the engine is cold) and oil levels are at an acceptable level.

        1. Set the parking brake and block the drive wheels. Make sure that the hood is closed.

        2. Start the engine and make sure that the engine coolant temperature is at least 158 degrees F. (70 degrees C.)

        3. Turn the engine off for at least 10 seconds.

        4. Select the crankshaft position variation learn procedure (CASE Learn)on your scan tool.

        5. Make sure that the transmission is in Park. Start the engine.

        6. Apply the brakes and hold the pedal firmly.

        7. Follow the scan tool instructions.

        Remember: That you are going to increase the engine speed to approximately 3000 RPM, 4000 RPM, or 5150 RPM. That’s the variation learn fuel cutoff RPM (depending upon the engine), and that it’s important to release the throttle when the engine RPM starts to decrease as a result of the fuel cutoff going into effect. Failure to do such will result in over revving of the engine, causing possible engine damage.

        8. Once the engine has returned to idle, check the status of Diagnostic trouble code P1336. If the scan tool indicates that the CASE has been learned, the relearn procedure is now complete. If CASE has not been learned, check for the presence of other power train codes. If any exist, correct the problem, then repeat this procedure.

        NOTE: If the Crankshaft Variation Relearn is not accessible through your scan tool (some truck applications 1998 & later), perform the relearn in the following manner:

        1. Turn off all of the accessories. With the Air temperature sensor and Coolant temperature within 5 degrees (Centigrade) of each other, start the engine and let it idle in Park or Neutral for two minutes.

        2. Accelerate the vehicle to 55 mph at part throttle. Cruise at 55 mph for 8- 10 minutes until the engine reaches operating temperature.

        3. Cruise at 55 mph for another 5-6 minutes.

        4. Decelerate to 45 mph without using the brakes, and maintain 45 mph for 1 minute.

        5. Perform 4 deceleration cycles, without using the brakes, of 25 seconds each where no specific speed is necessary. Returning to 45 mph for 15 seconds in between deceleration cycles.

        6. Accelerate to 55 mph and cruise for 2 minutes.

        7. Stop the vehicle and idle for 2 minutes with the brake applied and the transmission in Drive (automatic trans.) or Neutral (manual trans.) with the clutch depressed. Refer to diagram A on page 8.

        BASE IDLE RELEARN

        The Computer will reset the idle air control valve whenever the ignition switch is turned to the “On” position, then to the “Off” position. However, before you return the car to the customer, it is best to bring the engine up to operating temperature in Park with the air conditioning off. Then, turn the air conditioning on. Next, turn the air conditioning off. Next, place the transmission selector in drive. Finally, with the car in Drive, turn the air conditioning on. That’s it!

        DIESEL ENGINE TDC OFFSET RELEARN PROCEDURES

        This procedure should only be performed when one or more of the following has occurred:

        1. A diagnostic trouble code of P1214 (TDC offset not established) is present.

        2. The engine has been replaced.

        3. The front engine cover has been replaced.

        4. The PCM with or without the injection pump has been replaced.

        5. The crankshaft position sensor has been replaced.

        NOTE: Replacement of the only the injection pump does not require this procedure.

        In order to initiate the relearn:

        1. Hook up your scan tool.

        2. Start the engine and idle engine until coolant temperature is at least 170 degrees F.

        3. Clear any diagnostic trouble codes, if any. Then turn the engine off.

        4. Turn the ignition switch to the “On” position. Do not start the engine.

        5. Prepare the PCM to activate the offset relearn by placing and holding the accelerator pedal in the fully open position for no less than 45 seconds. Then release the pedal.

        6. Turn the ignition switch to the “Off” position for 30 seconds. To confirm that the PCM has powered down, you should get a “No communication with vehicle” message on your scan tool.

        7. Now start the engine and make sure that the coolant temperature is 170 degrees F or higher.

        8. As soon as the engine coolant has reached 170 degrees F. and the engine speed is below 1500 RPM, the PCM will automatically learn the new TDC offset. A slight stumble in engine RPM is indicative that the new TDC has been activated.

        9. Verify the TDC offset reading on your scan tool. The TDC offset should be between -0.25 and –0.75 degrees. If the TDC offset is within the specification, the relearn is completed. If the offset is out of specification then the injection pump must be adjusted. If the injection pump has not been replaced or adjusted and the TDC offset is very high on the positive side, then check for damage on the camshaft driven gear or key-way. If the TDC offset is very high on the negative side, check the crankshaft sensor for proper installation.

        TRANSMISSION RELEARN

        There is no relearn procedure other than to drive the vehicle. It is best to road test the vehicle, as the PCM will relearn the adaptive pressure shift points for proper transmission operation. The transmission may not shift as usual until the shift points have been learned. It is recommended that the first shift sequence be performed manually. Shift the transmission from low (first) gear to overdrive, one gear at a time, under moderate acceleration. If you turn the vehicle over to the customer without a road test, you may want to call this to their attention.

        in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #500909
        Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
        Participant

          When I bought it they already flashed it to my Vin and mileage. I thought I had to have the PCM relearn the key. Am I wrong?

          in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #502572
          Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
          Participant

            When I bought it they already flashed it to my Vin and mileage. I thought I had to have the PCM relearn the key. Am I wrong?

            in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #502480
            Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
            Participant

              I got a replacement PCM. Any ideas how to install it. I know I have a pass key 3. The guy who sold it to me said it takes a certain pattern before it will work. He didn’t have any information until Monday. He didn’t know how to use the scanner????

              in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #500819
              Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
              Participant

                I got a replacement PCM. Any ideas how to install it. I know I have a pass key 3. The guy who sold it to me said it takes a certain pattern before it will work. He didn’t have any information until Monday. He didn’t know how to use the scanner????

                in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #495423
                Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
                Participant

                  Thanks, I’m trying to figure it out. I think my next post will help with a Dx.

                  in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #496720
                  Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
                  Participant

                    Thanks, I’m trying to figure it out. I think my next post will help with a Dx.

                    in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #495421
                    Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
                    Participant

                      OK here’s the update,
                      I traced the wire from the Relay # 41,it has 4 pins.
                      Pin# 1 Top L – gray wire to tank, good continuity.
                      Pin# 2 Top R -open to the ground (black), good continuity to Red (+)
                      Pin# 3 bottom L – goes to ground.
                      Pin# 4 Bottom R – 12.4 Volts.

                      I jumped # 4 and #1 and the fuel pump started running.
                      I started the car but it runs rough. I pull the jumper and it dies. It was running perfect when it died so I don’t think it’s a head gasket .

                      How many votes for PCM ? :woohoo:

                      ? ? ? :sick:

                      in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #496718
                      Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
                      Participant

                        OK here’s the update,
                        I traced the wire from the Relay # 41,it has 4 pins.
                        Pin# 1 Top L – gray wire to tank, good continuity.
                        Pin# 2 Top R -open to the ground (black), good continuity to Red (+)
                        Pin# 3 bottom L – goes to ground.
                        Pin# 4 Bottom R – 12.4 Volts.

                        I jumped # 4 and #1 and the fuel pump started running.
                        I started the car but it runs rough. I pull the jumper and it dies. It was running perfect when it died so I don’t think it’s a head gasket .

                        How many votes for PCM ? :woohoo:

                        ? ? ? :sick:

                        in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #493663
                        Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
                        Participant

                          All of the fuses and relays are fine. I bought a handheld scanner and I’m not getting and codes. How can I test the PCM to rule that out before I spend $300?
                          Thaks,

                          in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #494859
                          Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
                          Participant

                            All of the fuses and relays are fine. I bought a handheld scanner and I’m not getting and codes. How can I test the PCM to rule that out before I spend $300?
                            Thaks,

                            in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #492498
                            Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
                            Participant

                              He wasn’t able to get any codes at all

                              in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #493648
                              Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
                              Participant

                                He wasn’t able to get any codes at all

                                in reply to: 2002 Chevy Trailblazer Fuel pump issues #492496
                                Robby BlackmoreRobby Blackmore
                                Participant

                                  I did check it twice, once with a digital and a multimeter just in case, now power both time, not even when it was cranking. I took it to a mechanic that said he was able to jump the PCM and it started but ran rough. I haven’t given up yet, the mechanic did.

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