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[quote=”wysetech” post=80729]Does the speedometer work while this is happening? I have a hard time believing that 2 transmissions have the same problem but I don’t see it being anything else if the axles are ok. If the noise goes away when the clutch is depressed and makes the noise when released I would say that the clutch is engaged and turning the input shaft in the transmission.[/quote]
Yes, the speedometer works when I put in any gear while it’s grinding like crazy and it won’t budge. And If I keep hitting the gas, and when the speedometer gets to 20 or so I see the shifter up light on the dashboard. So that tells me it’s in gear but maybe stuck between gears and the grinding gets louder as I put it in next gear.
[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80722]If you shift into neutral and release the clutch and the transmission is grinding, I will have to disagree with Eric and say it is most likely a transmission problem. The reason the noise goes away is because when he pushes the clutch in everything spins down and what was making noise is no longer turning, so no longer making noise.
He pulled the transmission cause the grinding noise, installed a new clutch and it was still grinding, I will bet cash it is NOT the clutch. Either the transmission is hung in 2 gears or the differential is bad and slipping on the output.
We had a Cavalier here with similar issues about 2 years ago, no movement, grinding when clutch out, owner did same thing replaced clutch and no difference. Turns out when we cracked the trans open the output shaft bearing was bad and caused the shift collar to get free of the shift fork and he was hung in two gears simultaneously.
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Sorry if I come off gruff or crabby, spent the day with a nasty migraine. I get the blasted things alot and they tend to ruin a perfectly good day.[/quote]That’s what I suspected because it gets super quite and I can only hear the engine idling smoothly when I press on the clutch pedal all the way down. Like stated before, when it is in Neutral, I can still hear it grinding and it sounds like it’s stuck between gears. When I took the transmission out the 2nd time, I checked the release bearing/salve assembly, no signs of failure noticed. There is nothing that I have not checked yet in the clutch system. I am just hoping that i’s the transmission because I don’t mind removing it, I have done it a few times, plus it did not cost me arms and legs to get one, $275. I contacted the junk yard and said I could exchange it. As I have asked before, what is the component that is responsible for not letting the shifter to move into gear when the engine is on?
Thanks and I hope your migraine goes away real soon!
[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80722]If you shift into neutral and release the clutch and the transmission is grinding, I will have to disagree with Eric and say it is most likely a transmission problem. The reason the noise goes away is because when he pushes the clutch in everything spins down and what was making noise is no longer turning, so no longer making noise.
He pulled the transmission cause the grinding noise, installed a new clutch and it was still grinding, I will bet cash it is NOT the clutch. Either the transmission is hung in 2 gears or the differential is bad and slipping on the output.
We had a Cavalier here with similar issues about 2 years ago, no movement, grinding when clutch out, owner did same thing replaced clutch and no difference. Turns out when we cracked the trans open the output shaft bearing was bad and caused the shift collar to get free of the shift fork and he was hung in two gears simultaneously.
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Sorry if I come off gruff or crabby, spent the day with a nasty migraine. I get the blasted things alot and they tend to ruin a perfectly good day.[/quote]That’s what I suspected because it gets super quite and I can only hear the engine idling smoothly when I press on the clutch pedal all the way down. Like stated before, when it is in Neutral, I can still hear it grinding and it sounds like it’s stuck between gears. When I took the transmission out the 2nd time, I checked the release bearing/salve assembly, no signs of failure noticed. There is nothing that I have not checked yet in the clutch system. I am just hoping that i’s the transmission because I don’t mind removing it, I have done it a few times, plus it did not cost me arms and legs to get one, $275. I contacted the junk yard and said I could exchange it. As I have asked before, what is the component that is responsible for not letting the shifter to move into gear when the engine is on?
Thanks and I hope your migraine goes away real soon!
[quote=”barneyb” post=80720]Both disc and pressure plate replaced?[/quote]
Yes, flywheel as well and torqued all bolts to the specs.
[quote=”barneyb” post=80720]Both disc and pressure plate replaced?[/quote]
Yes, flywheel as well and torqued all bolts to the specs.
[quote=”Xyius” post=80704]If you can shift into gear without stepping on the clutch that tells me that the engine is not spinning the transmission gears properly.[/quote]
Can you elaborate on that?
Thanks!
[quote=”Xyius” post=80704]If you can shift into gear without stepping on the clutch that tells me that the engine is not spinning the transmission gears properly.[/quote]
Can you elaborate on that?
Thanks!
[quote=”Xyius” post=80704]If you can shift into gear without stepping on the clutch that tells me that the engine is not spinning the transmission gears properly. Since the problem happened with BOTH transmissions, my assumption would be that the clutch isn’t engaging fully and is slipping a lot, causing the gears to rotate slowly inside the transmission. This would explain why there is a little bit of grinding when you go into first without releasing the clutch. I would seriously check the clutch pedal adjustment, as this seems to be (at least to me) the only thing that makes sense, considering you put a different transmission in it and still got the same issue.[/quote]
The clutch pedal was checked and it’s functioning as it should as far as I can tell. If this was a clutch related issue, why the grinding goes away when I press on the clutch pedal?
[quote=”Xyius” post=80704]If you can shift into gear without stepping on the clutch that tells me that the engine is not spinning the transmission gears properly. Since the problem happened with BOTH transmissions, my assumption would be that the clutch isn’t engaging fully and is slipping a lot, causing the gears to rotate slowly inside the transmission. This would explain why there is a little bit of grinding when you go into first without releasing the clutch. I would seriously check the clutch pedal adjustment, as this seems to be (at least to me) the only thing that makes sense, considering you put a different transmission in it and still got the same issue.[/quote]
The clutch pedal was checked and it’s functioning as it should as far as I can tell. If this was a clutch related issue, why the grinding goes away when I press on the clutch pedal?
[quote=”EricTheCarGuy” post=80693]If it goes away when you press the clutch harder I’m thinking it’s a clutch issue. Perhaps it’s not bled out enough or there is some issue with the linkage or throw out bearing. If it were me, that’s where I’d be looking. This article may also be useful.
http://www.ericthecarguy.com/faq/solving-transmission-problems
Keep us posted on your progress.[/quote]
Hi Eric, thanks for the link. After further diagnosis, I found where the noise is coming from but I am still unsure of the cause. Here is a video I took, you can hear the grinding gets louder when it’s in 3rd gear as it gets and passes the grabbing point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCepjMXQ5_o
The grinding is coming from the Transmission from the shifter housing area. I checked the linkage, everything is good. I even removed the shifter assembly and changed gears with a screwdriver and I am still having the same issue. I bled the clutch system, the clutch pedal is not spongy and the release bearing seems to function fine, once I step on the clutch pedal all the grinding noises go away, the clutch pedal has a normal feeling, not too hard not too soft. The master cylinder, slave cylinder, anything that ends with cylinder was checked. What I can’t understand is how am I able to to shift without pressing on the clutch. Any idea what prevents the shifter from moving while the engine is on until the clutched is disengaged?[quote=”EricTheCarGuy” post=80693]If it goes away when you press the clutch harder I’m thinking it’s a clutch issue. Perhaps it’s not bled out enough or there is some issue with the linkage or throw out bearing. If it were me, that’s where I’d be looking. This article may also be useful.
http://www.ericthecarguy.com/faq/solving-transmission-problems
Keep us posted on your progress.[/quote]
Hi Eric, thanks for the link. After further diagnosis, I found where the noise is coming from but I am still unsure of the cause. Here is a video I took, you can hear the grinding gets louder when it’s in 3rd gear as it gets and passes the grabbing point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCepjMXQ5_o
The grinding is coming from the Transmission from the shifter housing area. I checked the linkage, everything is good. I even removed the shifter assembly and changed gears with a screwdriver and I am still having the same issue. I bled the clutch system, the clutch pedal is not spongy and the release bearing seems to function fine, once I step on the clutch pedal all the grinding noises go away, the clutch pedal has a normal feeling, not too hard not too soft. The master cylinder, slave cylinder, anything that ends with cylinder was checked. What I can’t understand is how am I able to to shift without pressing on the clutch. Any idea what prevents the shifter from moving while the engine is on until the clutched is disengaged?Slave Cylinder and Release Bearing comes as one unit, it was bled and it seems to function just fine because the grinding stops when I press on the clutch pedal. I checked for leaks, there is none. CV axles are good. I asked earlier if it’s the transmission, the grinding is still present when it is in Neutral.
Slave Cylinder and Release Bearing comes as one unit, it was bled and it seems to function just fine because the grinding stops when I press on the clutch pedal. I checked for leaks, there is none. CV axles are good. I asked earlier if it’s the transmission, the grinding is still present when it is in Neutral.
Thank you for the reply.
Yes, they are in a great shape. If it is the transmission, how come I can still feel and hear the grinding while it’s in Neutral?