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[quote=”barneyb” post=80777]Set the emergency brake and raise the car so that both front tires are off of the ground and place the transmission in 1st with the engine off. Turn one front tire. Does the other tire turn smoothly in the opposite direction? Or, any roughness or unusual sounds? Please report what you find.
Raise the car so that only one front tire is off of the ground. With the engine off and the transmission in neutral turn the raised tire. Does the tire rotate smoothly. Please report what you find.
Put the transmission in first gear and do the second test again. Can you turn the tire. Put a little grunt into it. Please report back what you find.[/quote]
I will do that, but I need to mentioned this. When the engine is off and it’s in 1st gear, the car does not roll forward. Same thing when it’s set in Reverse, it does not roll back. Does that tell us that gears are kind of engaged?
[quote=”barneyb” post=80777]Set the emergency brake and raise the car so that both front tires are off of the ground and place the transmission in 1st with the engine off. Turn one front tire. Does the other tire turn smoothly in the opposite direction? Or, any roughness or unusual sounds? Please report what you find.
Raise the car so that only one front tire is off of the ground. With the engine off and the transmission in neutral turn the raised tire. Does the tire rotate smoothly. Please report what you find.
Put the transmission in first gear and do the second test again. Can you turn the tire. Put a little grunt into it. Please report back what you find.[/quote]
I will do that, but I need to mentioned this. When the engine is off and it’s in 1st gear, the car does not roll forward. Same thing when it’s set in Reverse, it does not roll back. Does that tell us that gears are kind of engaged?
Your friend will want to check the fluid level and color. This can be done when the engine is warm and it is idling (according to the manual). The fluid should look red and clean. You will change the fluid once it starts to get dark, it will, at some point in the future, get very dark red or light brownish in color and that is a definite indication of immediate fluid change. If the fluid is checked, it’s red and the level is between the two notches of 75c then you’re good to go, no need to change. If the color is red and it is below, add enough fluid to get it to the normal level and remember the engine needs to be warm and the vehicle needs to be parked on a level surface to get accurate reading.
P.S. If you need to add or change fluid, get the Genuine Transmission Fluid or OEM equivalent. According to the Manual it’s DIAMOND ATF-SP III.
Your friend will want to check the fluid level and color. This can be done when the engine is warm and it is idling (according to the manual). The fluid should look red and clean. You will change the fluid once it starts to get dark, it will, at some point in the future, get very dark red or light brownish in color and that is a definite indication of immediate fluid change. If the fluid is checked, it’s red and the level is between the two notches of 75c then you’re good to go, no need to change. If the color is red and it is below, add enough fluid to get it to the normal level and remember the engine needs to be warm and the vehicle needs to be parked on a level surface to get accurate reading.
P.S. If you need to add or change fluid, get the Genuine Transmission Fluid or OEM equivalent. According to the Manual it’s DIAMOND ATF-SP III.
[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80740]Does it grind when you don’t touch anything? Just start it with the stick in neutral and let go of everything, is the a noise?
If it is quiet and only makes the grind when you try and go into gears than it is like Xyius said. The noise is from the gear train barely turning over, enough to make the grinding noise but not enough torque to keep you out of the gear. Same reason you can’t go forward or backward, not enough pressure on the friction disk to transfer torque.
Oh I have to apologize my misreading of your post got the thread going backwards for a bit, the other members had it dead on its got to be a shift fork issue. Especially since you have that internal design.[/quote]
That’s ok, thanks for your responses. It does grind a little bit when it’s in Neutral. When I put it in any gear the grinding gets louder and when I put it back in Neutral it still grinds but not as loud and if I keep pumping the clutch pedal it gets quieter and when I let go of everything when in Neutral, there is still some grinding, hardly audibale, but it’s there.
[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80740]Does it grind when you don’t touch anything? Just start it with the stick in neutral and let go of everything, is the a noise?
If it is quiet and only makes the grind when you try and go into gears than it is like Xyius said. The noise is from the gear train barely turning over, enough to make the grinding noise but not enough torque to keep you out of the gear. Same reason you can’t go forward or backward, not enough pressure on the friction disk to transfer torque.
Oh I have to apologize my misreading of your post got the thread going backwards for a bit, the other members had it dead on its got to be a shift fork issue. Especially since you have that internal design.[/quote]
That’s ok, thanks for your responses. It does grind a little bit when it’s in Neutral. When I put it in any gear the grinding gets louder and when I put it back in Neutral it still grinds but not as loud and if I keep pumping the clutch pedal it gets quieter and when I let go of everything when in Neutral, there is still some grinding, hardly audibale, but it’s there.
[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80736]The reason it gets quiet when you press on the pedal is it can still move forward just fine but not all the way back. .[/quote]
In order to test if it is jammed, I am thinking I should open the bleeder valve and pump the fluid out, that should make it go all the way back, and see if the grinding will still be present.
How does that sound?[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80736]The reason it gets quiet when you press on the pedal is it can still move forward just fine but not all the way back. .[/quote]
In order to test if it is jammed, I am thinking I should open the bleeder valve and pump the fluid out, that should make it go all the way back, and see if the grinding will still be present.
How does that sound?[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80735][quote=”Marigh” post=80732][quote=”Raistian77″ post=80730][quote=”wysetech” post=80729]Does the speedometer work while this is happening? I have a hard time believing that 2 transmissions have the same problem but I don’t see it being anything else if the axles are ok. If the noise goes away when the clutch is depressed and makes the noise when released I would say that the clutch is engaged and turning the input shaft in the transmission.[/quote]
Its not two transmissions Bill. He pulled the transmission to do the clutch because of the noise, put it back together and no good, still making the noise and wont move. He has another one on hold, but wants another opinion that the transmission is what is bad.
If it was the clutch, something should have changed after the clutch job, if it was the axle, it should have been noticed when he pulled the axles.
I am not sure why everyone thinks he changed the transmission.[/quote]
I am not sure if I mentioned it in the first post, I think I did, but it’s a 2nd transmission that I got from the junk yard and installed it, same issue. Thank you![/quote]
Well Crap, lol sorry I though you had it, but not installed it yet.
Okay well, I have to agree with everyone else, I have never seen two manuals fail in the exact same way. If your 2nd one was bad it would be much more likely that it would fail in a different way.
Dang, that makes this much more harder.
I would want to say your friction disk is not meshing correctly with the input shaft. But, two clutches with the same issue, not likely and now you have had 2 input shafts and it is not likely they both are bad in the same way. Something wrong with the CV would explain the grinding and the not going, but it would not cause the trans to be shifted into gear with the clutch out.
It almost has to be something in the shift fork keeping the transmission just on the side of being disengaged.
Hey, is that slave cylinder inside the transmission bell housing?[/quote]
The grinding is definitely coming from the Transmission. I know this because, under the hood, I can move the shifter with my hands to right and left and feel and hear the gears or synchros grinding while the clutch pedal is released and it is in Neutral.
Yes, the salve cylinder/release bearing is inside the Trans. bell housing, looks like this http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server700/a4145/products/5593/images/7535/N1761_600__16419.1380754777.1280.1280.jpg[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80735][quote=”Marigh” post=80732][quote=”Raistian77″ post=80730][quote=”wysetech” post=80729]Does the speedometer work while this is happening? I have a hard time believing that 2 transmissions have the same problem but I don’t see it being anything else if the axles are ok. If the noise goes away when the clutch is depressed and makes the noise when released I would say that the clutch is engaged and turning the input shaft in the transmission.[/quote]
Its not two transmissions Bill. He pulled the transmission to do the clutch because of the noise, put it back together and no good, still making the noise and wont move. He has another one on hold, but wants another opinion that the transmission is what is bad.
If it was the clutch, something should have changed after the clutch job, if it was the axle, it should have been noticed when he pulled the axles.
I am not sure why everyone thinks he changed the transmission.[/quote]
I am not sure if I mentioned it in the first post, I think I did, but it’s a 2nd transmission that I got from the junk yard and installed it, same issue. Thank you![/quote]
Well Crap, lol sorry I though you had it, but not installed it yet.
Okay well, I have to agree with everyone else, I have never seen two manuals fail in the exact same way. If your 2nd one was bad it would be much more likely that it would fail in a different way.
Dang, that makes this much more harder.
I would want to say your friction disk is not meshing correctly with the input shaft. But, two clutches with the same issue, not likely and now you have had 2 input shafts and it is not likely they both are bad in the same way. Something wrong with the CV would explain the grinding and the not going, but it would not cause the trans to be shifted into gear with the clutch out.
It almost has to be something in the shift fork keeping the transmission just on the side of being disengaged.
Hey, is that slave cylinder inside the transmission bell housing?[/quote]
The grinding is definitely coming from the Transmission. I know this because, under the hood, I can move the shifter with my hands to right and left and feel and hear the gears or synchros grinding while the clutch pedal is released and it is in Neutral.
Yes, the salve cylinder/release bearing is inside the Trans. bell housing, looks like this http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server700/a4145/products/5593/images/7535/N1761_600__16419.1380754777.1280.1280.jpg[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80730][quote=”wysetech” post=80729]Does the speedometer work while this is happening? I have a hard time believing that 2 transmissions have the same problem but I don’t see it being anything else if the axles are ok. If the noise goes away when the clutch is depressed and makes the noise when released I would say that the clutch is engaged and turning the input shaft in the transmission.[/quote]
Its not two transmissions Bill. He pulled the transmission to do the clutch because of the noise, put it back together and no good, still making the noise and wont move. He has another one on hold, but wants another opinion that the transmission is what is bad.
If it was the clutch, something should have changed after the clutch job, if it was the axle, it should have been noticed when he pulled the axles.
I am not sure why everyone thinks he changed the transmission.[/quote]
Sorry I meant this is the 1st transmission replacement; I removed the Trans that came with the car after the clutch job, had the same issue and I got my first Trans. replacement from the junkyard, still same issue.
[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80730][quote=”wysetech” post=80729]Does the speedometer work while this is happening? I have a hard time believing that 2 transmissions have the same problem but I don’t see it being anything else if the axles are ok. If the noise goes away when the clutch is depressed and makes the noise when released I would say that the clutch is engaged and turning the input shaft in the transmission.[/quote]
Its not two transmissions Bill. He pulled the transmission to do the clutch because of the noise, put it back together and no good, still making the noise and wont move. He has another one on hold, but wants another opinion that the transmission is what is bad.
If it was the clutch, something should have changed after the clutch job, if it was the axle, it should have been noticed when he pulled the axles.
I am not sure why everyone thinks he changed the transmission.[/quote]
Sorry I meant this is the 1st transmission replacement; I removed the Trans that came with the car after the clutch job, had the same issue and I got my first Trans. replacement from the junkyard, still same issue.
[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80730][quote=”wysetech” post=80729]Does the speedometer work while this is happening? I have a hard time believing that 2 transmissions have the same problem but I don’t see it being anything else if the axles are ok. If the noise goes away when the clutch is depressed and makes the noise when released I would say that the clutch is engaged and turning the input shaft in the transmission.[/quote]
Its not two transmissions Bill. He pulled the transmission to do the clutch because of the noise, put it back together and no good, still making the noise and wont move. He has another one on hold, but wants another opinion that the transmission is what is bad.
If it was the clutch, something should have changed after the clutch job, if it was the axle, it should have been noticed when he pulled the axles.
I am not sure why everyone thinks he changed the transmission.[/quote]
I am not sure if I mentioned it in the first post, I think I did, but it’s a 2nd transmission that I got from the junk yard and installed it, same issue. Thank you!
[quote=”Raistian77″ post=80730][quote=”wysetech” post=80729]Does the speedometer work while this is happening? I have a hard time believing that 2 transmissions have the same problem but I don’t see it being anything else if the axles are ok. If the noise goes away when the clutch is depressed and makes the noise when released I would say that the clutch is engaged and turning the input shaft in the transmission.[/quote]
Its not two transmissions Bill. He pulled the transmission to do the clutch because of the noise, put it back together and no good, still making the noise and wont move. He has another one on hold, but wants another opinion that the transmission is what is bad.
If it was the clutch, something should have changed after the clutch job, if it was the axle, it should have been noticed when he pulled the axles.
I am not sure why everyone thinks he changed the transmission.[/quote]
I am not sure if I mentioned it in the first post, I think I did, but it’s a 2nd transmission that I got from the junk yard and installed it, same issue. Thank you!
[quote=”wysetech” post=80729]Does the speedometer work while this is happening? I have a hard time believing that 2 transmissions have the same problem but I don’t see it being anything else if the axles are ok. If the noise goes away when the clutch is depressed and makes the noise when released I would say that the clutch is engaged and turning the input shaft in the transmission.[/quote]
Yes, the speedometer works when I put in any gear while it’s grinding like crazy and it won’t budge. And If I keep hitting the gas, and when the speedometer gets to 20 or so I see the shifter up light on the dashboard. So that tells me it’s in gear but maybe stuck between gears and the grinding gets louder as I put it in next gear.
