[Darren]

Ok so I went and cleaned all of the body grounds and its still doing the same thing. I did notice that either the IAC valve on the throttle body or the TPS is making some clicking noises. I also took the cover off of the PCM to see if I could see and shorts or anything but I didnt see anything.

[Darren]

well I have been using the engine block and transmission as grounds when im testing the fuses and so I know that the ground on the block is good because there is only one, There are also two body grounds on each side of the engine bay I have not checked those but did take them off and put them back on when I swapped the tyranny a week ago. I will try cleaning them up and seeing what happens. Thanks.

[Darren]

well I have been using the engine block and transmission as grounds when im testing the fuses and so I know that the ground on the block is good because there is only one, There are also two body grounds on each side of the engine bay I have not checked those but did take them off and put them back on when I swapped the tyranny a week ago. I will try cleaning them up and seeing what happens. Thanks.

[Darren]

The spring is there, it was on both of them. Does anyone know how far the seal is supposed to go in? I read that it should be flush with the housing, and I have read that you just tap it till it stops, which is what I did.

[Darren]

The spring is there, it was on both of them. Does anyone know how far the seal is supposed to go in? I read that it should be flush with the housing, and I have read that you just tap it till it stops, which is what I did.

[Darren]

I looked when I changed the seal yesterday, all I noticed was the paint line from the reman process. I honestly think its leaking on the inner part of the seal against the axle.

[Darren]

I looked when I changed the seal yesterday, all I noticed was the paint line from the reman process. I honestly think its leaking on the inner part of the seal against the axle.

[Darren]

OK so I know its been a few weeks, but I didn’t want to leave an open post. So I got the truck over to my Chrysler guy, and I had him do the smoke test, and the filler neck didn’t leak. However the EVAP leak detection pump that I had replaced was leaking bad. On this car the evap canister and the leak pump are assembled into one unit. Well I got the parts from Chrysler, and they forgot to put the Gasket between the pump and the canister, so it leaked of course which messed everything up. So that was what the problem was, fortunately it wasn’t the computer.

[Darren]

OK so I know its been a few weeks, but I didn’t want to leave an open post. So I got the truck over to my Chrysler guy, and I had him do the smoke test, and the filler neck didn’t leak. However the EVAP leak detection pump that I had replaced was leaking bad. On this car the evap canister and the leak pump are assembled into one unit. Well I got the parts from Chrysler, and they forgot to put the Gasket between the pump and the canister, so it leaked of course which messed everything up. So that was what the problem was, fortunately it wasn’t the computer.

[Darren]

I agree with you 100% with the smoke. Unfortunately I don’t have a smoke machine. I think I’m going to get a full diagnostic done to see if the computer is acting up, and if it is maybe the evap leaks don’t exist, just thinking that due to the fact it has a supercharger code at the moment, and it doesn’t have a supercharger. And 3 of the codes are no where to be found in the service manual. So I think I’m gonna get the computer tested, and then go from there. Thanks for your input.

[Darren]

I agree with you 100% with the smoke. Unfortunately I don’t have a smoke machine. I think I’m going to get a full diagnostic done to see if the computer is acting up, and if it is maybe the evap leaks don’t exist, just thinking that due to the fact it has a supercharger code at the moment, and it doesn’t have a supercharger. And 3 of the codes are no where to be found in the service manual. So I think I’m gonna get the computer tested, and then go from there. Thanks for your input.

[Darren]

Yes, that is one of the things I had suspected when I got the evap codes in June, this year Durango and some others have a recall where the inlet valve doesn’t close/open all the way when you fill it up, and it overfills, and floods the canister. Which is why I think my fuel filter had charcoal in it when I changed the pump. I did inspect all the lines on the top of the tank, and they all looked good at the time. I don’t fill this truck up all the way because if I do it will overfill and spray gas everywhere. The charcoal canister is new and I don’t want this one to get ruined. And in order to fix the bad inlet valve you have to replace the tank and filler neck which is a nice $750 in parts. It was replaced once under warranty but is faulty once again, and now that they have replaced the parts once, they won’t again, plus its out of warranty anyways.

[Darren]

Yes, that is one of the things I had suspected when I got the evap codes in June, this year Durango and some others have a recall where the inlet valve doesn’t close/open all the way when you fill it up, and it overfills, and floods the canister. Which is why I think my fuel filter had charcoal in it when I changed the pump. I did inspect all the lines on the top of the tank, and they all looked good at the time. I don’t fill this truck up all the way because if I do it will overfill and spray gas everywhere. The charcoal canister is new and I don’t want this one to get ruined. And in order to fix the bad inlet valve you have to replace the tank and filler neck which is a nice $750 in parts. It was replaced once under warranty but is faulty once again, and now that they have replaced the parts once, they won’t again, plus its out of warranty anyways.

[Darren]

Ok New information has come up.

I decided to scan the car once more today, and run a diagnostic test with my scan tool.

these are the results…

Current Fault Log
——————
P0457: Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected (fuel cap loose/off)
P0440: Evaporative Emission Control System
P0441: Evaporative Emission Control System Incorrect Purge Flow
P004B: null
P3194: null
P3094: null

Pending Fault Log
——————
ECU reports no pending faults

Historic Fault Log
——————
ECU reports no historic faults
Other discovered fault codes
(possibly pending, current or manufacturer specific)
—————————————————-
ECU reports no other fault codes logged

End of report.

Test report:
——————
MID:$01 TID:$91
– O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1
Max: 655.34998% Min: 0.45%
Test result value: 1.21%
PASS
—-
MID:$02 TID:$07
Minimum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) – O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2
Max: 0.196V Min: 0V
Test result value: 0.196V
PASS
—-
MID:$02 TID:$08
Maximum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) – O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2
Max: 65.535V Min: 0.705V
Test result value: 0.745V
PASS
—-
MID:$05 TID:$91
– O2 Bank 2 Sensor 1
Max: 655.34998% Min: 0.22%
Test result value: 1.01%
PASS
—-
MID:$06 TID:$07
Minimum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) – O2 Bank 2 Sensor 2
Max: 0.196V Min: 0V
Test result value: 0.196V
PASS
—-
MID:$06 TID:$08
Maximum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) – O2 Bank 2 Sensor 2
Max: 65.535V Min: 0.705V
Test result value: 0.705V
PASS
—-
MID:$21 TID:$92
– Catalyst Monitor Bank 1
Max: 0.59% Min: 0%
Test result value: 0.07%
PASS
—-
MID:$22 TID:$92
– Catalyst Monitor Bank 2
Max: 0.59% Min: 0%
Test result value: 0.17%
PASS
—-
MID:$31 TID:$93
– EGR Monitor Bank 1
Max: 75Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$31 TID:$94
– EGR Monitor Bank 1
Max: 255Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$31 TID:$95
– EGR Monitor Bank 1
Max: 227.67999% Min: 342.66998%
Test result value: 327.92999%
FAIL
—-
MID:$31 TID:$96
– EGR Monitor Bank 1
Max: 227.67999% Min: 342.66998%
Test result value: 325.17999%
FAIL
—-
MID:$39 TID:$87
–
Max: 10,000ms Min: 0ms
Test result value: 10,010ms
FAIL
—-
MID:$3a TID:$87
– EVAP Monitor (cap off)
Test incomplete or dependant test failed
—
MID:$3c TID:$85
– EVAP Monitor (0.040″)
Max: 100minute Min: 0minute
Test result value: 0minute
PASS
—-
MID:$3c TID:$86
– EVAP Monitor (0.040″)
Max: 4,200minute Min: 0minute
Test result value: 0minute
PASS
—-
MID:$3c TID:$90
– EVAP Monitor (0.040″)
Max: 4,300minute Min: 12minute
Test result value: 30minute
PASS
—-
MID:$3d TID:$83
– EVAP Monitor (0.020″)
Max: 65,535Bool Min: 1Bool
Test result value: 0Bool
FAIL
—-
MID:$3d TID:$84
– EVAP Monitor (0.020″)
Max: 100.00641% Min: 0.05494%
Test result value: 0.02136%
FAIL
—-
MID:$41 TID:$97
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 1
Max: 320°C Min: 0°C
Test result value: 75°C
PASS
—-
MID:$41 TID:$98
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 1
Max: 655,350ms Min: 120,000ms
Test result value: 655,350ms
PASS
—-
MID:$42 TID:$97
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2
Max: 320°C Min: 0°C
Test result value: 75°C
PASS
—-
MID:$42 TID:$98
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2
Max: 655,350ms Min: 120,000ms
Test result value: 655,350ms
PASS
—-
MID:$45 TID:$97
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 2 – Sensor 1
Max: 320°C Min: 0°C
Test result value: 70°C
PASS
—-
MID:$45 TID:$98
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 2 – Sensor 1
Max: 655,350ms Min: 120,000ms
Test result value: 529,600ms
PASS
—-
MID:$46 TID:$97
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 2 – Sensor 2
Max: 320°C Min: 0°C
Test result value: 65°C
PASS
—-
MID:$46 TID:$98
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 2 – Sensor 2
Max: 655,350ms Min: 120,000ms
Test result value: 655,350ms
PASS
—-
MID:$98 TID:$5d
–
Max: 38,896 Min: 6,499
Test result value: 36,611
PASS
—-
MID:$a2 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 1 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a2 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 1 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a3 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 2 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 1Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a3 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 2 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a4 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 3 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a4 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 3 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a5 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 4 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a5 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 4 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a6 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 5 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a6 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 5 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a7 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 6 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a7 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 6 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a8 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 7 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a8 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 7 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a9 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 8 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a9 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 8 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$e1 TID:$87
Manufacturer defined MID –
Max: 10,000ms Min: 0ms
Test result value: 0ms
PASS
—-

End of report.

So now it has no chassis codes, but the 3 fault codes that dont have to do with the evap system dont seem to be in the service manual either. and the EGR system has failed the test, but the misfires have passed now. Now im really confused. And the EVAP Leak detection pump is new, so I dont know why it is failing now.

[Darren]

Ok New information has come up.

I decided to scan the car once more today, and run a diagnostic test with my scan tool.

these are the results…

Current Fault Log
——————
P0457: Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected (fuel cap loose/off)
P0440: Evaporative Emission Control System
P0441: Evaporative Emission Control System Incorrect Purge Flow
P004B: null
P3194: null
P3094: null

Pending Fault Log
——————
ECU reports no pending faults

Historic Fault Log
——————
ECU reports no historic faults
Other discovered fault codes
(possibly pending, current or manufacturer specific)
—————————————————-
ECU reports no other fault codes logged

End of report.

Test report:
——————
MID:$01 TID:$91
– O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1
Max: 655.34998% Min: 0.45%
Test result value: 1.21%
PASS
—-
MID:$02 TID:$07
Minimum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) – O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2
Max: 0.196V Min: 0V
Test result value: 0.196V
PASS
—-
MID:$02 TID:$08
Maximum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) – O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2
Max: 65.535V Min: 0.705V
Test result value: 0.745V
PASS
—-
MID:$05 TID:$91
– O2 Bank 2 Sensor 1
Max: 655.34998% Min: 0.22%
Test result value: 1.01%
PASS
—-
MID:$06 TID:$07
Minimum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) – O2 Bank 2 Sensor 2
Max: 0.196V Min: 0V
Test result value: 0.196V
PASS
—-
MID:$06 TID:$08
Maximum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) – O2 Bank 2 Sensor 2
Max: 65.535V Min: 0.705V
Test result value: 0.705V
PASS
—-
MID:$21 TID:$92
– Catalyst Monitor Bank 1
Max: 0.59% Min: 0%
Test result value: 0.07%
PASS
—-
MID:$22 TID:$92
– Catalyst Monitor Bank 2
Max: 0.59% Min: 0%
Test result value: 0.17%
PASS
—-
MID:$31 TID:$93
– EGR Monitor Bank 1
Max: 75Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$31 TID:$94
– EGR Monitor Bank 1
Max: 255Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$31 TID:$95
– EGR Monitor Bank 1
Max: 227.67999% Min: 342.66998%
Test result value: 327.92999%
FAIL
—-
MID:$31 TID:$96
– EGR Monitor Bank 1
Max: 227.67999% Min: 342.66998%
Test result value: 325.17999%
FAIL
—-
MID:$39 TID:$87
–
Max: 10,000ms Min: 0ms
Test result value: 10,010ms
FAIL
—-
MID:$3a TID:$87
– EVAP Monitor (cap off)
Test incomplete or dependant test failed
—
MID:$3c TID:$85
– EVAP Monitor (0.040″)
Max: 100minute Min: 0minute
Test result value: 0minute
PASS
—-
MID:$3c TID:$86
– EVAP Monitor (0.040″)
Max: 4,200minute Min: 0minute
Test result value: 0minute
PASS
—-
MID:$3c TID:$90
– EVAP Monitor (0.040″)
Max: 4,300minute Min: 12minute
Test result value: 30minute
PASS
—-
MID:$3d TID:$83
– EVAP Monitor (0.020″)
Max: 65,535Bool Min: 1Bool
Test result value: 0Bool
FAIL
—-
MID:$3d TID:$84
– EVAP Monitor (0.020″)
Max: 100.00641% Min: 0.05494%
Test result value: 0.02136%
FAIL
—-
MID:$41 TID:$97
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 1
Max: 320°C Min: 0°C
Test result value: 75°C
PASS
—-
MID:$41 TID:$98
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 1
Max: 655,350ms Min: 120,000ms
Test result value: 655,350ms
PASS
—-
MID:$42 TID:$97
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2
Max: 320°C Min: 0°C
Test result value: 75°C
PASS
—-
MID:$42 TID:$98
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2
Max: 655,350ms Min: 120,000ms
Test result value: 655,350ms
PASS
—-
MID:$45 TID:$97
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 2 – Sensor 1
Max: 320°C Min: 0°C
Test result value: 70°C
PASS
—-
MID:$45 TID:$98
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 2 – Sensor 1
Max: 655,350ms Min: 120,000ms
Test result value: 529,600ms
PASS
—-
MID:$46 TID:$97
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 2 – Sensor 2
Max: 320°C Min: 0°C
Test result value: 65°C
PASS
—-
MID:$46 TID:$98
– O2 Heater Monitor Bank 2 – Sensor 2
Max: 655,350ms Min: 120,000ms
Test result value: 655,350ms
PASS
—-
MID:$98 TID:$5d
–
Max: 38,896 Min: 6,499
Test result value: 36,611
PASS
—-
MID:$a2 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 1 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a2 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 1 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a3 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 2 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 1Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a3 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 2 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a4 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 3 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a4 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 3 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a5 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 4 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a5 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 4 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a6 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 5 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a6 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 5 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a7 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 6 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a7 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 6 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a8 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 7 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a8 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 7 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a9 TID:$0b
EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles – Misfire Cylinder 8 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$a9 TID:$0c
Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) – Misfire Cylinder 8 Data
Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
Test result value: 0Count
PASS
—-
MID:$e1 TID:$87
Manufacturer defined MID –
Max: 10,000ms Min: 0ms
Test result value: 0ms
PASS
—-

End of report.

So now it has no chassis codes, but the 3 fault codes that dont have to do with the evap system dont seem to be in the service manual either. and the EGR system has failed the test, but the misfires have passed now. Now im really confused. And the EVAP Leak detection pump is new, so I dont know why it is failing now.

[Author]

Replies