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[quote=”relative4″ post=203026]Smoke machines are $60 on eBay.[/quote]
Really Where? Only ones i’ve seen online start at 300 dollars CAD. I live in Canada, and i can’t get a lot of stuff that Americans can. I saw one that was 80 USD but it wasn’t shipping to Canada.
Hey guys. I didn’t update the thread for a while cos i was waiting for winter to wrap up before i could finally fix the job.
I figured out a way (if not the best way) to do this:
First i took the bumper off, and the steel cross bar (i think it’s the steel component of the bumper behind it), behind them was the end of the 2 long steel runners of the cars frame, there’s 2 small hooks on this that the steel bar hooks into. I don’t know why Honda made it like this but it works.
Using a rotary tool, and cutting disks i made a cut into the end of the frame like a door and bent it out of the way. There was a second sheet of metal behind it that i also cut with a tool and cold chisel.
As i had thought, inside the frame there’s a nut that’s welded in and the bolt threads into it to get the mounds on. Because of Canadian road salt, the bolts welds rusted and simply snapped off when i applied tork.
I reached into the holes i’ve made by hand, because i was tired of having skin on it. And using a pair of locking pliers i held the nut that had broken loose and used a spanner to open the bolt.
After that, to install the new mounts i used a little bit of tape to hold a nut in my spanner which i reached in and placed above the hole as i inserted a bolt through the underside with the mount.
Then i held the nut with a spanner and tightened away with a socket, and finished it off with a smaller torque bar to torque spec (28 lbft if i remember right)
I did the same on the other side, and reassembled the car. And so far it’s been running better than before, the transmission shifts are smoother and the engine isn’t rocking nearly as bad.
I’ll upload pictures if i can, but that’s the best way i found i could do the job. Yes it means to replace the motor mounts ever again or do anything involving them the bumper has to come off, but there was no way i could get a welder accurately in there, and the car will probably be driven to the ground by me anyway.
Thanks to everyone who helped.
Thanks for the suggestions. I was thinking maybe boring the hole to get the old nuts etc out, but again the lack of welder. Or i would have to somehow move the car, which would also be difficult since it’s kinda partway gutted right now.
Also thanks for suggesting rivnuts, I’ve never heard of them before. Steel variety should be strong enough, and there’s a pre-drilled hole in the frame that lines with the new mount, which has nothing in it i can probably put another nut in. I think 3 of these should hold.
Course that brings up, where do i find these? Because I’ve literally never heard of them. And as you said strength limits.
Your carb might be due for an overhaul or replacement by the way.
Also try finding your cars service manual or something, those are great.
I think the best thing for you to do is to take the valve cover off, and remove the whole head, then inspect the damage yourself or even post pictures.
All the answers depend on how bad the damage is, etc. And i know mithsu loves to crowd engine bays so good luck.
I appreciate everyone input on this, but here’s an idea.
It seems like what Honda originally did was basically connect a nut inside the frame and pass a bolt through. My thought is that because of the salt we use on our roads, these nuts rusted badly to the bolt and when i applied torque they simply broke off their weld or whatever Honda did, and now it’s exactly like a 1/8 bolt in a 3/8 hole spinning freely.
I can cut through metal or problems, i have an angle grinder, but if i cut the frame i’d be in a pickle since i don’t have a welder. But, what if i just cut the bolts off, and then riveted in the new mounts? I know this is a REALLY gross repair job, and the cut nuts will forever rattle and rustle inside my frame, but for a twice accidental 18 year old car i think this is good.
The next challenge would be to find a rivet that would work. But what does everyone think of that?
See that’s the problem, i can’t really apply pressure anywhere it just rotates entirely free.
It’s like, take a piece of metal drill a 3/8 hole in it, then pass a 1/8 bolt through and put a nut on the bolt. Then try to undo the bold from the nut from the bolt side. That’s what it feels like. One bolt came out normal like a bolt should, it’s just the other 4 i can’t seem to do anything to.
Worst part is this is inside the cars frame, so i’d have to angle grind a whole into it to do anything to it. Very inconvenient