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Cool!
I would also use different gas stations – just in case their blend of gas is influencing the mileage. (Depending on where you live, they may be still using Summer mix which boosts mileage.)
But at $6 a quart ( or whatever it is), I have to wonder if it’s really worth it – even if you’re using only 4 ounces a tank.
I look forward to your research and data.
Cool!
I would also use different gas stations – just in case their blend of gas is influencing the mileage. (Depending on where you live, they may be still using Summer mix which boosts mileage.)
But at $6 a quart ( or whatever it is), I have to wonder if it’s really worth it – even if you’re using only 4 ounces a tank.
I look forward to your research and data.
Arrg, I think it’s too late for this thread.
I get the electronic versions on CD/DVD.
They’re great because they’re cheaper ($30 for my wife’s Honda and that included the electrical manual and supplemental manual) and when I do work, I just print off the sections needed for the job (with my notes) so that I don’t have to flip through these huge tomes.
Arrg, I think it’s too late for this thread.
I get the electronic versions on CD/DVD.
They’re great because they’re cheaper ($30 for my wife’s Honda and that included the electrical manual and supplemental manual) and when I do work, I just print off the sections needed for the job (with my notes) so that I don’t have to flip through these huge tomes.
Yeah, I have never seen those specs in the service manuals.
And I’d like to point out that a lot of the motors for the fans are off the shelf components. So are the blades. The engineers just want the air flow cose enough at the cheapest cost. They select a motor and fan blade from a catalog from the parts suppliers – manaesman, bosch, etc .. and go from there.
Here’s the best thing you can do: get the model numbers off of the motor and fan and start emailing…
Yeah, I have never seen those specs in the service manuals.
And I’d like to point out that a lot of the motors for the fans are off the shelf components. So are the blades. The engineers just want the air flow cose enough at the cheapest cost. They select a motor and fan blade from a catalog from the parts suppliers – manaesman, bosch, etc .. and go from there.
Here’s the best thing you can do: get the model numbers off of the motor and fan and start emailing…
It all depends on what parts you’re talking about when it comes to OEM vs after market. Most times, the after market manufacturer is that same manufacturers that made the OEM part. For example Exedy for drive train components.
Unless you need a part that is really hard to get, [b]you are wasting your money going to the dealer and buying OEM.
[/b]Here’s my qualification -some after market parts are crap and yo9u can’t tell, BUT OEM does not guaranty that your part is any better.
Here’s the kicker, for parts that don’t really sell well, the parts companies will outsource their manufacturing to a company that makes them and sometimes, it’s just one or two companies in China, Korea or God knows where.
In other words, you have no choice but to buy after market and MAYBE crap.
My Dad is a retired auto engineer who has worked for just about all of them and the stories …
The automotive industry has undergone some serious consolidation several years ago. It’s common for the exact same parts to appear in a Mercedes, Audi, Buick, Chevy, Kia, and any really cheap car.
Some parts stores will list all the cars that a certain part fits. Go ahead and read that sometime. It’s a REAL eye opener!
Here’s what I do: compare part numbers. Many distributors are too lazy to use their own part numbers. You’ll see for example clutch kits from many different suppliers using 4161 – that’s an Exedy part number. MAYBE there’s a duplicate – MAYBE – but the components are exact in design.
And then there are horrible manufacturing runs where a bunch of parts come out crappy – for many reasons.
What I’m trying to say is that you can’t tell.
It all depends on what parts you’re talking about when it comes to OEM vs after market. Most times, the after market manufacturer is that same manufacturers that made the OEM part. For example Exedy for drive train components.
Unless you need a part that is really hard to get, [b]you are wasting your money going to the dealer and buying OEM.
[/b]Here’s my qualification -some after market parts are crap and yo9u can’t tell, BUT OEM does not guaranty that your part is any better.
Here’s the kicker, for parts that don’t really sell well, the parts companies will outsource their manufacturing to a company that makes them and sometimes, it’s just one or two companies in China, Korea or God knows where.
In other words, you have no choice but to buy after market and MAYBE crap.
My Dad is a retired auto engineer who has worked for just about all of them and the stories …
The automotive industry has undergone some serious consolidation several years ago. It’s common for the exact same parts to appear in a Mercedes, Audi, Buick, Chevy, Kia, and any really cheap car.
Some parts stores will list all the cars that a certain part fits. Go ahead and read that sometime. It’s a REAL eye opener!
Here’s what I do: compare part numbers. Many distributors are too lazy to use their own part numbers. You’ll see for example clutch kits from many different suppliers using 4161 – that’s an Exedy part number. MAYBE there’s a duplicate – MAYBE – but the components are exact in design.
And then there are horrible manufacturing runs where a bunch of parts come out crappy – for many reasons.
What I’m trying to say is that you can’t tell.
Stuff’s a myth. Anyone who takes the time to confirm what I just said will agree.
I wouldn’t go that far until I’ve seen data. Data rules; experience drools.
And looking at the ingredients, I don’t see how it could do what it claims it can do. But then again, I don’t have data. If there was data that showed that the mineral oil, solvents and lard will do what it’s says it would do, I may buy it.
Then again, at what $5 or so a pint, I’m not sure it’s worth it even if its claims are true.
Unfortunately, the only thing available as far as proof are testimonials for this product. And like I said way above, I can market my lucky rabbit’s foot that increases gas mileage in May and get plenty of testimonials that it works because people don’t understand coincidence: rabbit’s foot increases gas mileage in the Summer when it’s really other factors.
Stuff’s a myth. Anyone who takes the time to confirm what I just said will agree.
I wouldn’t go that far until I’ve seen data. Data rules; experience drools.
And looking at the ingredients, I don’t see how it could do what it claims it can do. But then again, I don’t have data. If there was data that showed that the mineral oil, solvents and lard will do what it’s says it would do, I may buy it.
Then again, at what $5 or so a pint, I’m not sure it’s worth it even if its claims are true.
Unfortunately, the only thing available as far as proof are testimonials for this product. And like I said way above, I can market my lucky rabbit’s foot that increases gas mileage in May and get plenty of testimonials that it works because people don’t understand coincidence: rabbit’s foot increases gas mileage in the Summer when it’s really other factors.
Experience doesn’t mean anything without data because people are easily deceived.
Experience is limited to your corner of your little world.
Not having problems with the product does not mean it works – I have never had any problems with my Lucky Rabbit’s foot either.
Experience means nothing.
Technology is advancing so fast now that if you are going to rest on your laurels (experience) you will be left behind and out of work.
Experience doesn’t mean anything without data because people are easily deceived.
Experience is limited to your corner of your little world.
Not having problems with the product does not mean it works – I have never had any problems with my Lucky Rabbit’s foot either.
Experience means nothing.
Technology is advancing so fast now that if you are going to rest on your laurels (experience) you will be left behind and out of work.
[quote=”mckrishes” post=41160]Interesting discussion. For the skeptics: Is there proof that it does not work? For the believers: Is there proof that it does work?[/quote]
Prove that the Tooth Fairy doesn’t exist.
She’s given me money after all!
[quote=”mckrishes” post=41160]Interesting discussion. For the skeptics: Is there proof that it does not work? For the believers: Is there proof that it does work?[/quote]
Prove that the Tooth Fairy doesn’t exist.
She’s given me money after all!
[quote=”stingray66″ post=41143]This is getting to look like amateur hour
Today I changed my oil in
My jeep It takes 6qt in put in 5 1/2 qts and put in a 1/2 of Mabel mystery oil in
I have done this for 40 years I use this in my oil and in my fuel
marvel mystery oil is one of the best products out there top engine builders use this all the time[/quote]
I would say, that your “success” is because of your ability and not of the product you specify.