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[quote=”barneyb” post=94926]On a newer car I would just buy the shock or strut. Do springs wear out – sometimes. The thing is anytime you take these assemblies apart they end up consisting of more parts that you would suspect. So, lets say the spring cushion is shot – chewed through by the spring. So, you need one of those. Or the bellows or something else. You may need several additional parts. On an older car a quick strut is good because you get it all and it all is new.[/quote]
If the ride height is really good, it may be more about just the strut, but then the pad was really worn when I did that, the bearings were great, OE from the factory there were no dust covers. I couldn’t face the possibility of dirt ruining new struts even if I’d had them 7 years before install. 🙂 Long story short, great point. You get a lot out of replacing it all if you waited a long time for replacement. Just the dust covers were really expensive and I lived with the worn out pad for the shock.
[quote=”barneyb” post=94926]On a newer car I would just buy the shock or strut. Do springs wear out – sometimes. The thing is anytime you take these assemblies apart they end up consisting of more parts that you would suspect. So, lets say the spring cushion is shot – chewed through by the spring. So, you need one of those. Or the bellows or something else. You may need several additional parts. On an older car a quick strut is good because you get it all and it all is new.[/quote]
If the ride height is really good, it may be more about just the strut, but then the pad was really worn when I did that, the bearings were great, OE from the factory there were no dust covers. I couldn’t face the possibility of dirt ruining new struts even if I’d had them 7 years before install. 🙂 Long story short, great point. You get a lot out of replacing it all if you waited a long time for replacement. Just the dust covers were really expensive and I lived with the worn out pad for the shock.
Read this to my wife and to be clear Monroe was $111 while Moog is $114. To be more accurate I want to be flattered for $90 less dollars as AC Delco is $150 . . . and KYB is either really expensive or scarily cheap out of Canada on Ebay a pair for $175, all other prices are each.
Read this to my wife and to be clear Monroe was $111 while Moog is $114. To be more accurate I want to be flattered for $90 less dollars as AC Delco is $150 . . . and KYB is either really expensive or scarily cheap out of Canada on Ebay a pair for $175, all other prices are each.
Current car:
1999 Chevy Prizm LSI 165k miles – a keeper, any parts that go into this car must represent that mechanically it’s getting close to new – I’ve replaced more than is still original excepting big exceptions like the fine working engine and transmission.So….I’ve used up numerous hours on various forms. Every forum has a horror story about Moog, Monroe, and KYB. I’m not too interested in Monroe since I’ve experienced poor longevity on 4 out of 6 struts. The first 2 were in the rear and were replaced on warranty a few months later. The 2nd 2 for the front weren’t needed for 7 years from maybe 50k to 150k. (Sadly bought them on a buy 3 get one free with rebate and was too busy to turn it in on time. lol) Yes, the front 2 OE lasted a LONG time, lol. I was terrified to do my first struts, less for the new skill and more for, “Will they just fail again? The other half of the set did.”
2 weeks of not bouncing on the road later and feeling my confidence high, my sharp, precise driving became, well, just good. They haven’t failed, but they stopped being amazing. A year and about 12k of driving “good” seems to be the norm.
ETCG? Been loving your youtube videos for a while. Your comments above made me think about it all further.
I was calling those first 2 monroe’s bad because my ride height was increased by them for a short period of weeks and that’s what I was considering as it would wear out my tires. The wrong ride height? Tires aren’t flat on the road….in support of the struts failure over it being “bad” because I didn’t do the shocks too, the struts I don’t think were fully extending. The warranty replacements held up for months before sinking to the same low level. (Just took 1 ride with a fat friend (no offense, just hard on the struts), and ride height was permanently lowered. Was still better than the first 2, then 3 fat friends, over 900 lbs. and ride height became equal to the last strut. Over the last 100k miles while the struts had no bounce in them the bad angle had me replacing tires twice as often – no cam adjustment on this car, and when I added one all that did was slowly break the notch that wasn’t meant for anything but a meatier bolt.)So Monroe, and the inability to afford replacing them probably cost me an extra $500 in tires over the years.
So, now I’m going for ready mounts. They say if you go better than bottom end with Monroe then you’ll be saved, but on my car their bottom end is the only option so they’re out.
KYB. They were looking good in every discussion but one so on second thought maybe they aren’t out. Suggestions? On the preferred which are highlighted?
Moog. I hear a good history with them, but on another forum, when they bought it from RockAuto.com both of their ready mounts had Moog boxes, but internally one of the parts had the same part no. as what RockAuto listed for Monroe. (They included photo graphic evidence.) RockAuto worked with him and he went with Monroe. Having it in his hands the bearings weren’t bad on 1 of the 2 mounts. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2911608/2
Last option is AC Delco for $150, but I’m liking the Moog option for only $3 extra a ready mount at $114 each. Yeah, maybe I’m suckered in by some aftermarket promises of better than OE…but maybe I want to be flattered into spending almost $80 less. lol
Current car:
1999 Chevy Prizm LSI 165k miles – a keeper, any parts that go into this car must represent that mechanically it’s getting close to new – I’ve replaced more than is still original excepting big exceptions like the fine working engine and transmission.So….I’ve used up numerous hours on various forms. Every forum has a horror story about Moog, Monroe, and KYB. I’m not too interested in Monroe since I’ve experienced poor longevity on 4 out of 6 struts. The first 2 were in the rear and were replaced on warranty a few months later. The 2nd 2 for the front weren’t needed for 7 years from maybe 50k to 150k. (Sadly bought them on a buy 3 get one free with rebate and was too busy to turn it in on time. lol) Yes, the front 2 OE lasted a LONG time, lol. I was terrified to do my first struts, less for the new skill and more for, “Will they just fail again? The other half of the set did.”
2 weeks of not bouncing on the road later and feeling my confidence high, my sharp, precise driving became, well, just good. They haven’t failed, but they stopped being amazing. A year and about 12k of driving “good” seems to be the norm.
ETCG? Been loving your youtube videos for a while. Your comments above made me think about it all further.
I was calling those first 2 monroe’s bad because my ride height was increased by them for a short period of weeks and that’s what I was considering as it would wear out my tires. The wrong ride height? Tires aren’t flat on the road….in support of the struts failure over it being “bad” because I didn’t do the shocks too, the struts I don’t think were fully extending. The warranty replacements held up for months before sinking to the same low level. (Just took 1 ride with a fat friend (no offense, just hard on the struts), and ride height was permanently lowered. Was still better than the first 2, then 3 fat friends, over 900 lbs. and ride height became equal to the last strut. Over the last 100k miles while the struts had no bounce in them the bad angle had me replacing tires twice as often – no cam adjustment on this car, and when I added one all that did was slowly break the notch that wasn’t meant for anything but a meatier bolt.)So Monroe, and the inability to afford replacing them probably cost me an extra $500 in tires over the years.
So, now I’m going for ready mounts. They say if you go better than bottom end with Monroe then you’ll be saved, but on my car their bottom end is the only option so they’re out.
KYB. They were looking good in every discussion but one so on second thought maybe they aren’t out. Suggestions? On the preferred which are highlighted?
Moog. I hear a good history with them, but on another forum, when they bought it from RockAuto.com both of their ready mounts had Moog boxes, but internally one of the parts had the same part no. as what RockAuto listed for Monroe. (They included photo graphic evidence.) RockAuto worked with him and he went with Monroe. Having it in his hands the bearings weren’t bad on 1 of the 2 mounts. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2911608/2
Last option is AC Delco for $150, but I’m liking the Moog option for only $3 extra a ready mount at $114 each. Yeah, maybe I’m suckered in by some aftermarket promises of better than OE…but maybe I want to be flattered into spending almost $80 less. lol