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So following up on a previous post, I decided to go ahead and enroll in my community college’s auto tech program. Right now I’m just trying to plan some things out as far as work goes. What in your opinions would be a good brand to work with at the beginning? The goal for the future is to get good enough to work on high end stuff (I was thinking maybe Teslas), or work at/start a performance shop. There have been openings at a couple Honda and Hyundai dealers, but I’ve seen a post on here sayingg Hyundai isn’t a good brand to work for, and Eric himself said working on Hondas will ruin you, lol
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[quote=”wafrederick” post=139069]GM is the best out there,they let out their computer information very well.Only one that you can reuse an used computer in over again.Ford,the worst to work on and getting crappy with their computer information.Ford has it one way engineering wise,the hard way only.Ford won’t even give out their computer information out anymore,lot of times it is called take it to the dealer with computer headaches.Misfires with a Ford is real easy to fix,replace the coil or coils.Basically eat them like candy.The foreign cars,takes longer to change the timing chains.Did one in a 2006 NIssan Pathfinder with the 4.0 V6,took 2 hours longer than a domestic.[/quote] Agreed, Ford in most cases has become as bad as the German makes as far as a lack of interchangeability and over-engineering. Even in the 20th century, GM(Chevy) had the most parts interchangeability(the same small blocks and big blocks were used for 30+ years while Ford was always changing their castings/designs and had very little interchangeability. by comparison. Ford has taken quite a bit of influence from it’s European R&D it seems. Even being a GM loyalist, I would like to like Ford because it is an American make but unfortunately they make it very difficult.
[quote=”Chevyman21″ post=139096][quote=”wafrederick” post=139069]GM is the best out there,they let out their computer information very well.Only one that you can reuse an used computer in over again.Ford,the worst to work on and getting crappy with their computer information.Ford has it one way engineering wise,the hard way only.Ford won’t even give out their computer information out anymore,lot of times it is called take it to the dealer with computer headaches.Misfires with a Ford is real easy to fix,replace the coil or coils.Basically eat them like candy.The foreign cars,takes longer to change the timing chains.Did one in a 2006 NIssan Pathfinder with the 4.0 V6,took 2 hours longer than a domestic.[/quote] Agreed, Ford in most cases has become as bad as the German makes as far as a lack of interchangeability and over-engineering. Even in the 20th century, GM(Chevy) had the most parts interchangeability(the same small blocks and big blocks were used for 30+ years while Ford was always changing their castings/designs and had very little interchangeability. by comparison. Ford has taken quite a bit of influence from it’s European R&D it seems. Even being a GM loyalist, I would like to like Ford because it is an American make but unfortunately they make it very difficult.[/quote]
Have told the customer send it to the dealer when having computer issues with a Ford.Last one was a 2005 Ford Freestar,ran bad and no codes showed up in the computer.Checked the compression which was good,swapped coils and spark plugs which was not it.It took Ford 3 days to figure it out,was a bad computer.Was not telling one spark plug when to fire.I know a transmission repair shop that bangs their head against the wall when a Ford comes in with a transmission problem.Flat out horrible to diagnose problems with.[quote=”wafrederick” post=139157][quote=”Chevyman21″ post=139096][quote=”wafrederick” post=139069]GM is the best out there,they let out their computer information very well.Only one that you can reuse an used computer in over again.Ford,the worst to work on and getting crappy with their computer information.Ford has it one way engineering wise,the hard way only.Ford won’t even give out their computer information out anymore,lot of times it is called take it to the dealer with computer headaches.Misfires with a Ford is real easy to fix,replace the coil or coils.Basically eat them like candy.The foreign cars,takes longer to change the timing chains.Did one in a 2006 NIssan Pathfinder with the 4.0 V6,took 2 hours longer than a domestic.[/quote] Agreed, Ford in most cases has become as bad as the German makes as far as a lack of interchangeability and over-engineering. Even in the 20th century, GM(Chevy) had the most parts interchangeability(the same small blocks and big blocks were used for 30+ years while Ford was always changing their castings/designs and had very little interchangeability. by comparison. Ford has taken quite a bit of influence from it’s European R&D it seems. Even being a GM loyalist, I would like to like Ford because it is an American make but unfortunately they make it very difficult.[/quote]
Have told the customer send it to the dealer when having computer issues with a Ford.Last one was a 2005 Ford Freestar,ran bad and no codes showed up in the computer.Checked the compression which was good,swapped coils and spark plugs which was not it.It took Ford 3 days to figure it out,was a bad computer.Was not telling one spark plug when to fire.I know a transmission repair shop that bangs their head against the wall when a Ford comes in with a transmission problem.Flat out horrible to diagnose problems with.[/quote] Ford keeps things proprietary, therein lies the problem.Fords give good techs a hard time because they consistently engineer their systems to operate in ways that make no sense to the intelligent, rational, and logical critical thinker.
[quote=”Fopeano” post=139160]Fords give good techs a hard time because they consistently engineer their systems to operate in ways that make no sense to the intelligent, rational, and logical critical thinker.[/quote] My dad always said “Logic and common sense will get you everywhere in life”. Fords are the exception. I don’t know who they hire at Ford to design these systems but they sure do make their designs to the point where we on the job wonder “what the hell where they thinking?” It’s almost like you have to reverse your thought process just to work on them.
depends on whatever flavor you like….mopar is good with their tier system with their training…easiest by far for most of brands out there…
sometimes, easiest is vw or volvo brand..personal choice. i had been with hyundai around 2-3 years on and off..unless you are in smaller dealership i wouldn’t even bother…
hey, chevyman21. i had been at gm dealer for about a little over 1 year..they are not bad brand. except depends on recall and pay scale of it….common pattern of failure in gm is struts, timing chains, intake gaskets…..anything electrical diagnosis….somewhat different from other brands out in the world….
i had been doing tons of t-belts found them to more fun to do and easier than t-chains …not much stretch issue….hyundai t-chains on the hand…i don’t even want to try without proper tool to hold everything in place…vague to work on. not much information either….
i had worked in indy shops….most of them were hacks….cheap of cheap employers and stole and lost my tools without paying me back for them.
[quote=”kevk62″ post=139274]
hey, chevyman21. i had been at gm dealer for about a little over 1 year..they are not bad brand. except depends on recall and pay scale of it….common pattern of failure in gm is struts, timing chains, intake gaskets…..anything electrical diagnosis….somewhat different from other brands out in the world….
[/quote] Trust me if I thought GM was a bad brand I wouldn’t be as dedicated to them as I am. I was simply sharing my dealership experience, your mileage may vary. Dealerships in general do have a different dynamic that is not for everyone and certainly wasn’t for me.[quote=”Chevyman21″ post=139275][quote=”kevk62″ post=139274]
hey, chevyman21. i had been at gm dealer for about a little over 1 year..they are not bad brand. except depends on recall and pay scale of it….common pattern of failure in gm is struts, timing chains, intake gaskets…..anything electrical diagnosis….somewhat different from other brands out in the world….
[/quote] Trust me if I thought GM was a bad brand I wouldn’t be as dedicated to them as I am. I was simply sharing my dealership experience, your mileage may vary. Dealerships in general do have a different dynamic that is not for everyone and certainly wasn’t for me.[/quote]i understand what you saying….mopar was not bad except…their warranty time can’t beat until you do that kind of repair many times…at least 3 times or so.
my opinion of it….my beef would be menu price and pay scales keep going up and down like roller coaster…[quote=”kevk62″ post=139276][quote=”Chevyman21″ post=139275][quote=”kevk62″ post=139274]
hey, chevyman21. i had been at gm dealer for about a little over 1 year..they are not bad brand. except depends on recall and pay scale of it….common pattern of failure in gm is struts, timing chains, intake gaskets…..anything electrical diagnosis….somewhat different from other brands out in the world….
[/quote] Trust me if I thought GM was a bad brand I wouldn’t be as dedicated to them as I am. I was simply sharing my dealership experience, your mileage may vary. Dealerships in general do have a different dynamic that is not for everyone and certainly wasn’t for me.[/quote]i understand what you saying….mopar was not bad except…their warranty time can’t beat until you do that kind of repair many times…at least 3 times or so.
my opinion of it….my beef would be menu price and pay scales keep going up and down like roller coaster…[/quote] That’s my point though, warranty work sucks. The book time on warranty work is different than regular book time by a significant margin. How can the same job take 2 completely different times? The system is flawed and now you can see what I’m saying. Working at an independent shop, warranty work is not nearly as prominent.[quote=”Chevyman21″ post=139162]My dad always said “Logic and common sense will get you everywhere in life”. [/quote]
You father never worked in a modern dealership setting I’m guessing.
Logic? What the hell is Logic? Nothing that goes on makes any sense what so ever. It’s actually a running joke that whenever someone gets riled up about whatever, that we remind them they are trying to use logic and therefor it doesn’t matter. I just keep telling myself, just 2 more years and I can go wherever I want.
[quote=”DaFirnz” post=139351]
Logic? What the hell is Logic? Nothing that goes on makes any sense what so ever. It’s actually a running joke that whenever someone gets riled up about whatever, that we remind them they are trying to use logic and therefor it doesn’t matter. I just keep telling myself, just 2 more years and I can go wherever I want.[/quote]Dealership Logic – Warranty Repair for Coolant Leak in EGR: Update Calibration Release to Customer.
How does increasing the threshold so it doesn’t trigger the Check Engine Light help at all in fixing the coolant leaking into the EGR, Answer: It Doesn’t.
This is what the world is coming too and it makes my head hurt so bad so so bad.[quote=”MDK22″ post=139354][quote=”DaFirnz” post=139351]
Logic? What the hell is Logic? Nothing that goes on makes any sense what so ever. It’s actually a running joke that whenever someone gets riled up about whatever, that we remind them they are trying to use logic and therefor it doesn’t matter. I just keep telling myself, just 2 more years and I can go wherever I want.[/quote]Dealership Logic – Warranty Repair for Coolant Leak in EGR: Update Calibration Release to Customer.
How does increasing the threshold so it doesn’t trigger the Check Engine Light help at all in fixing the coolant leaking into the EGR, Answer: It Doesn’t.
This is what the world is coming too and it makes my head hurt so bad so so bad.[/quote]we have one of those diesel sitting in two bays…one guy just quit with tear down fuel system.
other people will have put it together and make it work…
ok…dealership thing would….NFF.(no fault found)…rattle or leak.we are technically paid to chase those crap….especially when vehicles are 2014-2015….so sad.
Had an interview with a Lexus dealership yesterday. I’m not sure if I’m going to be offered a position, but he told me to take a couple days to think about it and e-mail if I’m still interested. He said that I would start as an advanced maint. guy, so I’d work under a technician for a few weeks at $8/hr for training, then I would go flat rate. He also said he would work with my school schedule which is a huge plus in my book. If I’m offered the job, I’m most likely going to take it
[quote=”KeithLG” post=138840]So following up on a previous post, I decided to go ahead and enroll in my community college’s auto tech program. Right now I’m just trying to plan some things out as far as work goes. What in your opinions would be a good brand to work with at the beginning? The goal for the future is to get good enough to work on high end stuff (I was thinking maybe Teslas), or work at/start a performance shop. There have been openings at a couple Honda and Hyundai dealers, but I’ve seen a post on here sayingg Hyundai isn’t a good brand to work for, and Eric himself said working on Hondas will ruin you, lol[/quote]
Curious if you’ve made a decision? I would go for a higher end brand like Audi, Mercedes, Cadillac…. GM’s training is awesome. I find it easy to understand and learn how the different modules communicate and operate.
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