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    EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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      It started out as a response to the popular thread here on the forum but turned into a little rant. I hope I didn’t come off as too crabby. What are your thoughts?

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    • #661674
      WayneWayne
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        Crabby, no. Perhaps my perspective is different without ever really doing much in the import modification scene, but I found the mightcarmods review to be FoS from my perspective on it as a whole.

        Who in their right mind would just slap on a CAI without a tune? Which is what they were “testing”. Tune for higher overall larger volume, usually requires a CAI that’s set specifically for that specific larger volume. Usually the canned tunes aren’t marketed to the stock intake, as the gain isn’t as notable, especially on initial throttle response. JMHO

        But as always, still a good video for discussion.

        #661691
        Thomas FerryThomas Ferry
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          I like when you said make a slow car fast. I was just thinking “Isn’t that what you are doing to your Fairmont?” Then you said it. Oh the irony.

          Indeed though you bring up a good point. All modern cars are engineered with a inch of its life. Any change will affect(effect?) the car.

          #662783
          LeonLeon
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            [quote=”Jinzo” post=134489]

            Indeed though you bring up a good point. All modern cars are engineered with a inch of its life. Any change will affect(effect?) the car.[/quote]

            I’m not so sure I agree with this statement. At least with naturally aspirated horsepower, many cars can’t be improved too much. Many people and tuners have been able to successfully supercharge and turbocharge their cars and trucks without blowing them up. Then, you have the motorsports participants that modify their suspensions and drivelines with great results.

            #662789
            Gary BrownGary
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              That Fairmont, I’d throw in a Chevy 350 and M22 crusher. Then I’d go and supercharge that 350 and cut a nice hole in the hood for a blower. Change out some suspension components and go 4 wheel disc brakes and it wouldn’t be a slow car anymore. Oh ya, Ford 9 inch rear as well. Might be blasphemy to Ford fanatics but it would be a monster. As I said in the other thread, it is best to start with a good foundation and I don’t exactly consider a Honda Civic a good foundation for a performance car. An S2000? That’s a different story. I still prefer American Muscle though. Start with V8, add a cam & supercharger/blower combo and get ready for a neckbreaking acceleration experience.

              #662922
              EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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                [quote=”Homer23″ post=135581][quote=”Jinzo” post=134489]

                Indeed though you bring up a good point. All modern cars are engineered with a inch of its life. Any change will affect(effect?) the car.[/quote]

                I’m not so sure I agree with this statement. At least with naturally aspirated horsepower, many cars can’t be improved too much. Many people and tuners have been able to successfully supercharge and turbocharge their cars and trucks without blowing them up. Then, you have the motorsports participants that modify their suspensions and drivelines with great results.[/quote]

                I agree, adding forced induction is a good way to increase engine output. However, I would argue that’s more ‘re-engineering’ over modification. I realize that’s not much different, but with the effort involved with putting forced induction on a modern vehicle I think it applies.

                #662940
                Gary BrownGary
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                  [quote=”EricTheCarGuy” post=135719][quote=”Homer23″ post=135581][quote=”Jinzo” post=134489]

                  Indeed though you bring up a good point. All modern cars are engineered with a inch of its life. Any change will affect(effect?) the car.[/quote]

                  I’m not so sure I agree with this statement. At least with naturally aspirated horsepower, many cars can’t be improved too much. Many people and tuners have been able to successfully supercharge and turbocharge their cars and trucks without blowing them up. Then, you have the motorsports participants that modify their suspensions and drivelines with great results.[/quote]

                  I agree, adding forced induction is a good way to increase engine output. However, I would argue that’s more ‘re-engineering’ over modification. I realize that’s not much different, but with the effort involved with putting forced induction on a modern vehicle I think it applies.[/quote] I agree with this. Forced induction is a modification but with what you have to do with a gasoline motor to accept it is indeed reengineering. With a diesel, forced induction just means add more fuel. Diesels are robust enough that you don’t need to go changing internals. There is also no spark timing to contend with. Forced induction on a gasoline motor often requires forged internals, revamped spark, fuel etc. While rebuilding the motor to handle it, you might as well sonic check the block for wall thickness and core shift.

                  #663976
                  asetoftoolsasetoftools
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                    I do agree eric with what you are saying. I take 100% responsibility for any crazy mods I do and would never dream of taking any of my hacks to the dealership, or going to the dealership in general! I did go once for a recall on one car though. It was a gas tank recall so not really mod related at all.

                    If your car gets so messed that you dream of taking it to the dealership, its time to remove the damn mods!!!

                    EDIT: relevant! http://imgur.com/meCFYZo

                    #851334
                    derekderek
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                      When a cold air intake goes horribly wrong…. The amount of knocking coming from this jetta was enough to just make you cringe in pain. I cant imagine how much water went through that engine…

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                      EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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                        [quote=”leverknight” post=158833]When a cold air intake goes horribly wrong…. The amount of knocking coming from this jetta was enough to just make you cringe in pain. I cant imagine how much water went through that engine…[/quote]

                        Oh my.

                        #853327
                        MarkMark
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                          A modification that was worth it was instaling vacuum gauge in your car:
                          You wold put the manometer in the cars “Cockpit” and conet the other end to the intake manifold, and it will give to you an indication o f the vacuum being generated by the engine.
                          Them if you drive so that the manometer indicates higher vacuum, them you are making the most of the engines horse power.
                          Ive only tried this in carburated engines and it worked for me. 😉
                          And of course there are proper vacuum gauges for doing this.

                          #853360
                          EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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                            [quote=”The Kadet” post=160810]A modification that was worth it was instaling vacuum gauge in your car:
                            You wold put the manometer in the cars “Cockpit” and conet the other end to the intake manifold, and it will give to you an indication o f the vacuum being generated by the engine.
                            Them if you drive so that the manometer indicates higher vacuum, them you are making the most of the engines horse power.
                            Ive only tried this in carburated engines and it worked for me. 😉
                            And of course there are proper vacuum gauges for doing this.[/quote]

                            They used to install these in vehicles in the 70’s and 80’s calling them “efficiency meters”. I’ve also digital versions on some modern vehicles as well. Basically a that’s what a MAP sensor does.

                            #853639
                            DonaldDonald
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                              it’s one of those new air filter/ direct water injection cooling systems.

                              #853650
                              MikeMike
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                                [quote=”Chevyman21″ post=135587]That Fairmont, I’d throw in a Chevy 350 and M22 crusher. Then I’d go and supercharge that 350 and cut a nice hole in the hood for a blower. Change out some suspension components and go 4 wheel disc brakes and it wouldn’t be a slow car anymore. Oh ya, Ford 9 inch rear as well. Might be blasphemy to Ford fanatics but it would be a monster.[/quote]

                                Yes, it would be a monster. Frankenstein.

                                I’ve never understood the idea of dropping another manufacturer’s engine into a different make of car. To me, it makes sense to keep it all within the family. SBCs belong in Chevs, Ford engines belong in Fords, and so on. I don’t see how spending time and money on a rolling collection of unrelated parts is something to be proud of.

                                #853689
                                DonaldDonald
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                                  i had a 76 buick with an oldsmobile engine and a chevy tranny and ford rear end. it was …. interesting getting parts for that thing.

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