***SOLVED!*** Double Flaring – FAIL!!! Now What?

[Gene]

OK, so in replacing the rear brakes on my 89 Accord LXi, I broke the E-Pipe which attaches into the back of the wheel cylinder. No luck finding the part in the USA, so decided to be adventuresome and “do it myself!” I remember bending conduit many moons ago, so thought this might work out.

Found pre-flared (double flare) lines in set lengths at my neighborhood big box store. They loaned me a bender of sorts and I was able to approximate the broken piece. But drats! Put it in place and with a bunch of re-bending and choice words just seemed to be short and could not get it to fit! No problem that was the first one of 3 pipes I bought, so the ‘practice’ one didn’t fit…. Second pipe: I skipped the middle bend and just went for the bends near the ends. That could work, but was darn close to the strut. Anyway, got it to fit and tightened down. So far so good. Then I get a buddy to help me bleed the brakes and #@%^*& the fitting on the back of the wheel cylinder is leaking. It is as tight as I can go with the line wrench without rounding off the edges.

So I head back to the big box store and they don’t have anything an inch longer, just 4-inches longer. Then the guy tells me I can just cut it to length and put a double flare end on that myself! It’s easy, he says! So he sells me another pipe and loans me a flaring tool.

So I cut off the 3-inches I didn’t need and used that piece as a test or trial before attempting on the real piece. Now I am stumped! I watched at least 3 videos on how to make double flares and followed those instructions. Dudes were using a tool that looked similar to the one I borrowed.

So here are the results of my “double flaring!” Looks to me like a single flare AND an pretty cr@ppy one at that! Angled flare (not square), possible cracking of the metal and the outside all chewed up. Can imagine a shop teacher would trash these and flunk me outright!

Yes, I used a bit of lube on the button and on the cone as video suggested. Wish I had the $200 bucks for the Eastwood tool….

So what now? HELP!???? 🙂

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[Gene]

[quote=”Iznogood” post=173515]
U do NOT use anything to seal any brake parts. No o-rings or teflon tape on any brake pipe. None of it will hold the 100-300 Bar pressure that you put on a brake system in a panic situation.

Just make sure you use the right nuts. Here is a website that shows some different ones: https://www.thansen.dk/bil/autoreservedele/universaldele/bremsedele/omlober-nippel/n-354112285/

Notice, that some has thread all the way out and others has a small collar. Look at the old nuts and make sure, that the new ones are the same kind.[/quote]

OK! THANKS!

Got it! Use nothing but brake lines and proper fittings or parts! This is the kind of “background” info that is really useful. I don’t “think mechanic” so the reasoning behind doing something is important and useful to me! Don’t want any failures in a panic situation.

Thanks for the link, got me thinking about the nuts. So I took a picture or two. Looks the same to me. Ami I missing anything?

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[Gene]

[quote=”Bonnieman” post=173582]The problem is that a standard flaring tool is not capable of making that flare.
It looks like it isn’t a double flare but actually is a DIN/ISO flare.

Look at the pictures here http://www.fedhillusa.com/webnuts/common%20flares6.pdf
The differences include the fact that a double flare is angled against the line fitting, whereas the DIN/ISO is flat against the fitting.[/quote]

Thanks! That was what I suspected. That flare that came out of the tool looked more like a single flare than a double flare. So as you point out it must be that that tool isn’t a good one for the smallest lines?

[quote=”Bonnieman” post=173582]It appears that this Honda dealer has the line, but I’d call and check before assuming it’s in stock
http://www.hondapartshub.com/oe-honda/46361se0010%5B/quote%5D

Hey really appreciate you taking the time to look that up! As it turns out – that is the guy I talked to on the phone the other day at David McDavid in Irving, Texas. Parts guy there looked up that <font color="#ff0088]-010[/color] part and told me it fit a 1986 Accord. I thought that was great because Generation 3 Accords ran from model year 86 to model year 89. But the dude told me the part was listed as fitting ONLY a 86. So he thought that they must have made some change in the 87, 88 & 89 model years and thus those got the [color=#0088ff]-030[/color] suffix. [color=#ffff44″>@#$% one silly number!

I was going through my notes on something else and found another place, Honda Parts Deals.com, looked on there and VIOLA! There was the part for $10.57! (Double that and I’d have it shipped to me.) So I go through the checkout process and thought my ordeal was over! Saccucci Honda of Middletown, RI to the rescue! er…… NOT! Half hour after I placed the order I get an email telling me part is “discontinued” and my order was reversed! {So if it is discontinued, why is it showing up on your website?}

So it looks like I have the right nuts, can make some bends, just need a bit longer tubing and a way to put a double flare on it!
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Thanks again to all who have been helpful! Much appreciated!!!![/b] I’m gunna get this yet!

[James P Grosso]

I have had that problem of ordering parts on-line to get a call or e-mail the next day saying they are discontinued or out of stock.

So, did you make a new line, or still working on this?

[Mike]

46361SE0030 seems to be the right part number.
There’s actually one on ebay right now seller is whiteracingproductsllc_nos

I’m not sure if links are allowed to the actual auction page, so just cut and paste the seller’s name or the part number and do a search there.

[Gene]

Thank you for the heads up on that –030 part! Somebody reading here must have beaten me to the part! LOL! Could not find it.

Did find that seller with a -010 part for sale, however. Sigh Oh to have an ’86! Then I’d have all kinds of options for that pipe! LOL.

http://tinyurl.com/zcvbt7v

Thanks again for the help! Much appreciated!

I might get lucky tomorrow with a solution. I’ll update this thread! Thanks again to all who have helped!!!!

[Mike]

Hope you got the PM I sent you.

[Gene]

Thanks again to all who offered advice and help! I really appreciate the education, information, help and kindness!

So I returned the steering rack core and the parts people showed me their collection of brake lines with pre-completed double flares. Of course none were long enough. So I showed them my 9-inch brake line needing a double flare on one end. They took it into the back, and it came back out 10 minutes later with a double flare on it! Charged me a whole $6! I was glad to pay that considering the frustration I had been through.

So took the pipe home and carefully bent it up and went out to the the car. Got the nut threaded into the back of the wheel cylinder and then headed for the other fitting. Only took a couple of small “adjustments” and the other end threaded on smoothly. Tightened everything down with a flare nut wrench and crossed my fingers!

Then I pulled the bleeders out and installed a pair of speed bleeders ( found on eBay for $8 delivered! ). Then I let loose on the clamp on the flex section of brake line, attached my bleeder catch bottle and held my breath. Pumped the brakes a few times and confirmed fluid came out and saw bubbles. Then on the next round of pumping the brakes, saw no bubbles. Closed the bleeders, started the car and had a solid brake pedal!

Yahoo! Mission accomplished! Job complete!
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Thanks again for all of the help!!!![/size][/color][/b]

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[Mike]

A great outcome and only 6 bucks. Well worth it!

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