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We all know it, the tool trucks push it and technicians with exclusively Snap-on tools, coats, hats etc who bash anyone who uses anything but. This…to me is unacceptable. These people who push Snap-on they are more elitist than any other. I cannot say I have encountered a MAC, Matco, Cornwell or Craftsman elitist to the same degree. The Snap-on guys make it seem like their tools are forged of divine steel by Hephaestus himself. Look, Snap-on is no better than any other top tier tool brand out there. In fact, Snap-on is just as guilty of outsourcing and re-branding just like any other tool maker. At my previous workplace, the Snap-On truck guy was cool sure but I didn’t really buy much from him. Mainly bought from the SK truck. When you charge premium prices for a brand name that you can get with MAC, Matco, or Cornwell for much cheaper, I feel obliged to go to the “underdogs”. Elitism is not a good thing. I know some people on here prefer Snap-On and that’s fine but being exclusive to one brand because it is “the best” is not healthy for you or your wallet. I have Snap-On tools, MAC tools, Gearwrench, Craftsman Pro, Craftsman and Dewalt. Being brand loyal is one thing, being a brand Elitist is another.
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Well hopefully over there you don’t have Sears which are expensive but poor tools. If you don’t feel luck. Do you have Harbor Freight tools in Merry Old England ?
@FMXvxx: Ouch, didn’t realize it was THAT inflated. Hopefully, y’all get some better options. Does the UK have any tool brands of their own that we Americans don’t know about? That I’m curious about. A UK made tool, I’d buy it.
Well hopefully over there you don’t have Sears which are expensive but poor tools. If you don’t feel luck. Do you have Harbor Freight tools in Merry Old England ?
No habour freight no sears We have Machine mart which I guess is comparable generally cheap stuff that’ll get you out of a bind They have the best prices on there Clarke range of tools but everything else can be found online generally cheaper as well, other than machine mart and halfords you’re pretty stuffed if you need a tool there and then.
Tool companies In england There aren’t many to be honest Sealey Draper trident Signet Teng all supply tools here but pretty sure it’s all made over seas Same with Knipex Bacho Facom.
[quote=”Fmxvxx” post=129140]No habour freight no sears We have Machine mart which I guess is comparable generally cheap stuff that’ll get you out of a bind They have the best prices on there Clarke range of tools but everything else can be found online generally cheaper as well, other than machine mart and halfords you’re pretty stuffed if you need a tool there and then.
Tool companies In england There aren’t many to be honest Sealey Draper trident Signet Teng all supply tools here but pretty sure it’s all made over seas Same with Knipex Bacho Facom.[/quote] That’s a shame, the UK used to have a bigger manufacturing base from what I’ve been told. Made in England must be a thing of the past. Being on an island in the English channel can’t help things either.
[quote=”Chevyman21″ post=129142][quote=”Fmxvxx” post=129140]No habour freight no sears We have Machine mart which I guess is comparable generally cheap stuff that’ll get you out of a bind They have the best prices on there Clarke range of tools but everything else can be found online generally cheaper as well, other than machine mart and halfords you’re pretty stuffed if you need a tool there and then.
Tool companies In england There aren’t many to be honest Sealey Draper trident Signet Teng all supply tools here but pretty sure it’s all made over seas Same with Knipex Bacho Facom.[/quote] That’s a shame, the UK used to have a bigger manufacturing base from what I’ve been told. Made in England must be a thing of the past. Being on an island in the English channel can’t help things either.[/quote]
Seeing Made in England on a product usually means it was made a long while ago, We still make a lot of stuff but it’s more specialist gear now Mass produced tools from abroad just flooded the market and a lot of the smaller companies either adapted to compete or went under.
[quote=”Fmxvxx” post=129143][quote=”Chevyman21″ post=129142][quote=”Fmxvxx” post=129140]No habour freight no sears We have Machine mart which I guess is comparable generally cheap stuff that’ll get you out of a bind They have the best prices on there Clarke range of tools but everything else can be found online generally cheaper as well, other than machine mart and halfords you’re pretty stuffed if you need a tool there and then.
Tool companies In england There aren’t many to be honest Sealey Draper trident Signet Teng all supply tools here but pretty sure it’s all made over seas Same with Knipex Bacho Facom.[/quote] That’s a shame, the UK used to have a bigger manufacturing base from what I’ve been told. Made in England must be a thing of the past. Being on an island in the English channel can’t help things either.[/quote]
Seeing Made in England on a product usually means it was made a long while ago, We still make a lot of stuff but it’s more specialist gear now Mass produced tools from abroad just flooded the market and a lot of the smaller companies either adapted to compete or went under.[/quote]
I see, that’s kinda sad(being of British ancestry myself). Saw a photo from 2005 of an MG plant abandoned. Y’all had a massive ship building industry too…my how things change. In any case to bring things back on topic, elitism…SO is full of it. I’m not anti-SO but I certainly don’t see a reason to pay a premium for subpar service and tools of the same quality as other top tier brands just so I can say “I’m better than you because I paid more for my tools” or “because it’s Snap-On”. An A tech has a MAC toolbox but the guys with a fancy SO box(who are B and C techs) criticize him for what? He can out perform them. That’s what matters.Snap on tools are bloody good but have stonking prices, and Mac tools are jolly good. Harbor bloody freight tools are generally not worth a six pence but Craftsman are bloody rubbish. Sears is good at diddling blokes. Craftsman tools belong in the bloody Khazi. It would take a bloody gormless prat to give Sears any quid. Good way to bodge up a bloody bolt. We have not heard of Clarke tools here.
[quote=”andrewbutton442″ post=129150]Snap on tools are bloody good but have stonking prices, and Mac tools are jolly good. Harbor bloody freight tools are generally not worth a six pence but Craftsman are bloody rubbish. Sears is good at diddling blokes. Craftsman tools belong in the bloody Khazi. It would take a bloody gormless prat to give Sears any quid. Good way to bodge up a bloody bolt. We have not heard of Clarke tools here.[/quote] Jolly good show sir Andrewbutton442!
IR makes incredible guns if you want raw power. If you want finesse I actually have to side with andrewbutton442 on this one. IR guns are smaller and fit in tighter places but, to feather them is nearly impossible and if you can you only have 1/4 of an inch max to feather the trigger. It is actually closer to an 1/8 of an inch on anything smaller then a 3/4 drive. I have used both and I own both brands. I like my Snap-On guns much better though they do not have the raw power of an IR gun. That feathering of the trigger on my Snap-On’s MG 325 and MG 725 have saved my but on more then one occasion. Though I have also had to reach for an IR to get into tight places and for more power. I use my Snap-Ons regularly though and the IR are just for those I hate engineers moments.
If they had more trigger control which i think they could build in or maybe there is an adjustment I do not know about I would use them all day everyday.
As for Mac loosing to Snap-On it happened when the Mac brand started to go down hill. Also you really have to know wth you are buying as a Mac tool guy. Simple example is my Mac Tool guy warned me not to buy Mac ratchets and to buy the Expert brand instead. I didn’t listen and 2 weeks later I was trading the Mac in for the Expert brand. They have a large pool of tools to pull from but, you really need to know what is good and what sells well to be a Mac man. Where Snap-On and Matco not so much. Matco does make some good tools but, 99% of their tools are just rebrands. Though they take the time normally to find out what is good and what is a pile of beetle food.
So as far as a 1/2 impact IR gun, what model do you use, when you have a really nasty bolt ? I am surprised your MG725 doesn’t meet or exceed the power of the IR. I have seen people beat the living hell out of IR and CP guns day after day, but Snap-on not as much. I would warn anybody not to buy any ratchets except Snap-ons, no matter who they are or what they do.
[quote=”MDK22″ post=129161]IR guns are smaller and fit in tighter places but, to feather them is nearly impossible …That feathering of the trigger on my Snap-On’s MG 325 and MG 725 have saved my but on more then one occasion[/quote]
I’m going to make a video just for you of how magically wonderful both of my IR impact guns allow incredible control with the trigger. I’ve found just the opposite of what you have, and I don’t understand why. I’ve tried out other guys’ MG725s and there is better control than the old-fashioned Snap-On guns, but I felt it was still ham-fisted compared to the IRs I’ve always used. Like I said, I’ll make a video of me using them to tighten and loosen M6 bolts with a 10mm socket and you see what you think. Just give me a day or two to get around to it.
I also bought something the other day and I thought of you and your rigs and took a picture of it for you. I got it from the MAC truck, which I love and have an awesome MAC guy, for a very reasonable $65. He has a customer that has been hitting one with a 20lb sledgehammer for years without breaking it. It’s a DPL16SS, and I can’t wait to slaughter something with it:
I use my MG325 to put in screws into plastic spread type fasteners. I think there must be a way to adjust trigger pull that I do not know about.
My MG725 I am comparing to IR 2135PTiMAX Aka 1/2″ Titanium non quiet. Though I also do not have the baffling taken out of mine and the difference is only like 1/4-1/8 of a turn on the fasteners. It is one of the upsides of working in a Big Rig shop we can test these things on lug nuts lol. I will not be taking the baffles out of mine except to replace them with new ones in the guns I use all the time my hearing is far more important to me. I can also normally fit the next drive size up on anything that is not able to be broken loose. Only exception might be frame bolts which are M16 x 2.0 that is a 24mm socket size and I very rarely have issues with them.
Lugnuts are 3/4″ and 1″ air gun territory.
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I also bought something the other day and I thought of you and your rigs and took a picture of it for you. I got it from the MAC truck, which I love and have an awesome MAC guy, for a very reasonable $65. He has a customer that has been hitting one with a 20lb sledgehammer for years without breaking it. It’s a DPL16SS, and I can’t wait to slaughter something with it:
[/quote]If that hasn’t bent when he is hitting it with a 20lb sledge he doesn’t know how to use a sledge as most people don’t. Regardless that looks like a Mayhew rebrand which means it will be fine for a long time. I doubt you will break it using it properly.
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