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    Kevin CriswellKevin Criswell
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      This is a long article I found over at the S-10 Forums describing why oil additives are BAD for your engine.

      Snake Oil!
      Is That Additive Really A Negative?

      Information for this article was compiled from reports and
      studies by the University of Nevada Desert Research Center, DuPont
      Chemical Company, Avco Lycoming (aircraft engine manufacturers),
      North Dakota State University, Briggs and Stratton (engine
      manufacturers), the University of Utah Engineering Experiment
      Station, California State Polytechnic College and the National
      Aeronautics and Space Administration’s Lewis Research Center.

      You Can’t Tell The Players Without A Program

      On starting this project, we set out to find as many different
      oil additives as we could buy. That turned out to be a mistake. There
      were simply too many avail able! At the very first auto parts store
      we visited, there were over two dozen different brand names
      available. By the end of the day, we had identified over 40 different
      oil additives for sale and realized we needed to rethink our strategy.

      First of all, we found that if we checked the fine print on the
      packages, quite a number of the additives came from the same
      manufacturer. Also, we began to notice that the additives could be
      separated into basic “groups” that seemed to carry approximately the
      same ingredients and the same promises.

      In the end, we divided our additives into four basic groups and
      purchased at least three brands from three different manufacturers
      for each group. We defined our four groups this way:
      1.) Products that seemed to be nothing more than regular
      50-rated engine oil (including standard additives) with PTFE (Teflon
      TM) added.
      2.) Products that seemed to be nothing more than regular
      50-rated engine oil (including standard additives) with zinc
      dialkyldithiophosphate added.
      3.) Products containing (as near as we could determine) much
      the same additives as are already found in most major brands of
      engine oil, though in different quantities and combinations.
      4.) Products made up primarily of solvents and/or detergents.

      There may be some differences in chemical makeup within groups,
      but that is impossible to tell since the additive manufacturers
      refuse to list the specific ingredients of their products. We will
      discuss each group individually.

      The PTFE Mystery

      Currently, the most common and popular oil additives on the market
      are those that contain PTFE powders suspended in a regular,
      over-the-counter type, 50-rated petroleum or synthetic engine oil.
      PTFE is the common abbreviation used for Polytetrafloeraethylene,
      more commonly known by the tradename “Teflon,” which is a registered
      trademark of the DuPont Chemical Corporation. Among those oil
      additives we have identified as containing PTFE are: Slick 50, Liquid
      Ring, Lubrilon, Microlon, Matrix, Petrolon (same company as Slick
      50), QMl, and T-Plus (K-Mart). There are probably many more names in
      use on many more products using PTFE. We have found that oil additive
      makers like to market their products under a multitude of “private
      brand” names.
      While some of these products may contain other additives in
      addition to PTFE, all seem to rely on the PTFE as their primary
      active ingredient and all, without exception, do not list what other
      ingredients they may contain.
      Though they have gained rather wide acceptance among the
      motoring public, oil additives containing PTFE have also garnered
      their share of critics among experts in the field of lubrication. By
      far the most damning testimonial against these products originally
      came from the DuPont Chemical Corporation, inventor of PTFE and
      holder of the patents and trademarks for Teflon. In a statement
      issued about ten years ago, DuPont’s Fluoropolymers Division
      Product Specialist, J.F. Imbalzano said, “Teflon is not useful as an
      ingredient in oil additives or oils used for internal combustion
      engines.”
      At the time, DuPont threatened legal action against anyone who
      used the name “Teflon” on any oil product destined for use in an
      internal combustion engine, and refused to sell its PTFE powders to
      any one who intended to use them for such purposes.
      After a flurry of lawsuits from oil additive makers, claiming
      DuPont could not prove that PTFE was harmful to engines, DuPont was
      forced to once again begin selling their PTFE to the additive
      producers. The additive makers like to claim this is some kind of
      “proof’ that their products work, when in fact it is nothing more
      than proof that the American legal ethic of “innocent until proven
      guilty” is still alive and well. The decision against Dupont involved
      what is called “restraint of trade.” You can’t refuse to sell a
      product to someone just because there is a possibility they might use
      it for a purpose other than what you intended it for.
      It should be noted that DuPont’s official position on the use of
      PTFE in engine oils remains carefully aloof and non-commital, for
      obvious legal reasons. DuPont states that though they sell PTFE to
      oil additive producers, they have “no proof of the validity of the
      additive makers’ claims.” They further state that they have “no
      knowledge of any advantage gained through the use of PTFE in engine
      oil.”
      Fear of potential lawsuits for possible misrepresentation of a
      product seem to run much higher among those with the most to lose.
      After DuPont’s decision and attempt to halt the use of PTFE in
      engine oils, several of the oil additive companies simply went
      elsewhere for their PTFE powders, such as purchasing them in other
      countries. In some cases, they disguise or hype their PTFE as being
      something different or special by listing it under one of their own
      tradenames. That doesn’t change the fact that it is still PTFE.
      In addition, there is some evidence that certain supplies of
      PTFE powders (from manufacturers other than DuPont) are of a cruder
      version than the original, made with larger sized flakes that are
      more likely to “settle out” in your oil or clog up your filters. One
      fairly good indication that a product contains this kind of PTFE is
      if the instructions for its use advise you to “shake well before
      using.” It only stands to reason that if the manufacturer knows the
      solids in his product will settle to the bottom of a container while
      sitting on a shelf, the same thing is going to hap pen inside your
      engine when it is left idle for any period of time.
      The problem with putting PTFE in your oil, as explained to us by
      several industry experts, is that PTFE is a solid. The additive
      makers claim this solid “coats” the moving parts in an engine (though
      that is far from being scientifically proven). Slick 50 is currently
      both the most aggressive advertiser and the most popular seller, with
      claims of over 14 million treatments sold. However, such solids seem
      even more inclined to coat non-moving parts, like oil passages and
      filters. After all, if it can build up under the pressures and
      friction exerted on a cylinder wall, then it stands to reason it
      should build up even better in places with low pressures and
      virtually no friction.
      This conclusion seems to be borne out by tests on oil additives
      containing PTFE conducted by the NASA Lewis Research Center, which
      said in their report, “In the types of bearing surface contact we
      have looked at, we have seen no benefit. In some cases we have seen
      detrimental effect. The solids in the oil tend to accumulate at
      inlets and act as a dam, which simply blocks the oil from entering.
      Instead of helping, it is actually depriving parts of lubricant.”
      Remember, PTFE in oil additives is a suspended solid. Now think
      about why you have an oil filter on your engine. To remove suspended
      solids, right? Right. Therefore it would seem to follow that if your
      oil filter is doing its job, it will collect as much of the PTFE as
      possible, as quickly as possible. This can result in a clogged oil
      filter and decreased oil pres sure throughout your engine.
      In response to our inquiries about this sort of problem, several
      of the PTFE pushers responded that their particulates were of a
      sub-micron size, capable of passing through an ordinary oil filter
      unrestricted. This certainly sounds good, and may in some cases
      actually be true, but it makes little difference when you know the
      rest of the story. You see, PTFE has other qualities besides being a
      friction reducer: It expands radically when exposed to heat. So even
      if those particles are small enough to pass through your filter when
      you purchase them, they very well may not be when your engine reaches
      normal operating temperature.
      Here again, the’ scientific evidence seems to support this, as
      in tests conducted by researchers at the University of Utah
      Engineering Experiment Station involving Petrolon additive with PTFE.
      The Petrolon test report states, “There was a pressure drop
      across the oil filter resulting from possible clogging of small
      passageways.” In addition, oil analysis showed that iron
      contamination doubled after using the treatment, indicating that
      engine wear didn’t go down – it appeared to shoot up.
      This particular report was paid for by Petrolon (marketers of
      Slick 50), and was not all bad news for their products. The tests,
      conducted on a Chevrolet six-cylinder automobile engine, showed that
      after treatment with the PTFE additive the test engine’s friction was
      reduced by 13.1 per- cent. Also, output horsepower increased from 5.3
      percent to 8.1 percent, and fuel economy improved from 11.8 percent
      under light load to 3.8 percent under heavy load.
      These are the kind of results an aggressive marketing company
      like Petrolon can really sink their teeth into. If we only reported
      the results in the last paragraph to you, you’d be inclined to think
      Slick 50 was indeed a magic engine elixir. What you have to keep in
      mind is that often times the benefits (like increased horse power and
      fuel economy) may be out weighed by some serious drawbacks (like the
      indications of reduced oil pressure and increased wear rate).

      The Plot Thickens
      Just as we were about to go to press with this article, we were
      contacted by the public relations firm of Trent and Company, an
      outfit with a prestigious address in the Empire State Building, New
      York. They advised us they were working for a company called QMI out
      of Lakeland, Florida, that was marketing a “technological
      breakthrough” product in oil additives. Naturally, we asked them to
      send us all pertinent information, including any testing and
      research data.
      What we got was pretty much what we expected. QMI’s oil
      additive, according to their press release, uses “ten times more PTFE
      resins than its closest competitor.” Using the “unique SX-6000
      formula,” they say they are the only company to use “aqueous
      dispersion resin which means the microns (particle sizes) are
      extensively smaller and can penetrate tight areas.” This, they claim,
      “completely eliminates the problem of clogged filters and oil
      passages.”
      Intrigued by their press release, we set up a telephone
      interview with their Vice- President of Technical Services, Mr. Owen
      Heatwole. Mr. Heatwole’s name was immediately recognized by us as one
      that had popped in earlier research of this subject as a former
      employee of Petrolon, a company whose name seems inextricably linked
      in some fashion or another with virtually every PTFE-related additive
      maker in the country.
      Mr. Heatwole was a charming and persuasive talker with a knack
      for avoiding direct answers as good as any seasoned politician. His
      glib pitch for his product was the best we’ve ever heard, but when
      dissected and pared down to the verifiable facts, it actually said
      very little.
      When we asked about the ingredients in QMI’s treatments, we got
      almost exactly the response we expected. Mr. Heatwole said he would
      “have to avoid discussing specifics about the formula, for
      proprietary reasons.”
      After telling us that QMI was being used by “a major oil
      company,” a “nuclear plant owned by a major corporation” and a
      “major engine manufacturer,” Mr. Heatwole followed up with,
      “Naturally, I can’t reveal their names- for proprietary reasons.”
      He further claimed to have extensive testing and research data
      available from a “major laboratory,” proving conclusively how
      effective QMI was. When we asked for the name of the lab, can you
      guess? Yup, “We can’t give out that information, for proprietary
      reasons.”
      What QMI did give us was the typical “testimonials,” though we
      must admit theirs came from more recognizable sources than usual.
      They seem to have won over the likes of both Team Kawasaki and Bobby
      Unser, who evidently endorse and use QMI in their racing engines. Mr.
      Heatwole was very proud of the fact that their product was being
      used in engines that he himself admitted are “torn down and
      completely inspected on a weekly basis.” Of course, what he left out
      is that those same engines are almost totally rebuilt every time
      they’re torn down. So what does that prove in terms of his product
      reducing wear and promoting engine longevity? Virtually nothing.
      Mr. Heatwole declined to name the source of QMI’s PTFE supply
      “for proprietary reasons.” He bragged that their product is sold
      under many different private labels, but refused to identify those
      labels “for proprietary reasons.” When asked about the actual size of
      the PTFE particles used in QMI, he claimed they were measured as
      “sub-micron in size” by a “major motor laboratory” which he couldn’t
      identify – you guessed it – for “proprietary reasons.”
      After about an hour of listening to “don’t quote me on this,”
      “I’ll have to deny that if you print it,” and “I can’t reveal that,”
      we asked Mr. Heatwole if there was something we could print.
      “Certainly,” he said, “Here’s a good quote for you: ‘The radical
      growth in technology has overcome the problem areas associated with
      PTFE in the I980s'”
      “Not bad,” we said. Then we asked to whom we might attribute
      this gem of wisdom. DuPont Chemical, perhaps?
      “Me,” said Mr. Heatwole. “I said that.”
      QMI’s press releases like to quote the Guinness Book Of Records
      in saying that PTFE is “The slickest substance known to man.” Far be
      it from us to take exception to the Guinness Book, but we doubt that
      PTFE is much slicker than some of the people marketing it.

      The Zinc Question
      The latest “miracle ingredient” in oil additives, attempting to
      usurp PTFE’s cure-all throne, is zinc dialkyldithiophosphate, which
      we will refer to here after as simply “zinc.”
      Purveyors of the new zinc-related products claim they can prove
      absolute superiority over the PTFE-related products. Naturally, the
      PTFE crowd claim exactly the same, in reverse.
      Zinc is contained as part of the standard additive package in
      virtually every major brand of engine oil sold today, varying from a
      low volume of 0.10 per cent in brands such as Valvoline All Climate
      and Chevron l5W-50, to a high volume of 0.20 percent in brands such
      as Valvoline Race and Pennzoil GT Performance.
      Organic zinc compounds are used as extreme pressure, anti-wear
      additives, and are therefore found in larger amounts in oils
      specifically blended for high-revving, turbocharged or racing
      applications. The zinc in your oil comes into play only when there is
      actual metal-to-metal con tact within your engine, which should never
      occur under normal operating conditions. However, if you race your
      bike, or occasionally play tag with the redline on the tach, the zinc
      is your last line of defense. Under extreme conditions, the zinc
      compounds react with the metal to prevent scuffing, particularly
      between cylinder bores and piston rings.
      However – and this is the important part to remember – available
      research shows that more zinc does not give you more protection, it
      merely prolongs the protection if the rate of metal-to-metal contact
      is abnormally high or extended. So unless you plan on spending a
      couple of hours dragging your knee at Laguna Seca, adding extra zinc
      compounds to your oil is usually a waste. Also, keep in mind that
      high zinc content can lead to deposit formation on your valves, and
      spark plug fouling.
      Among the products we found containing zinc
      dialkyldithiophosphate were Mechanics Brand Engine Tune Up, K Mart
      Super Oil Treatment, and STP Engine Treatment With XEP2. The only
      reason we can easily identify the additives with the new zinc
      compounds is that they are required to carry a Federally mandated
      warning label indicating they contain a hazardous substance. The zinc
      phosphate they contain is a known eye irritant, capable of inflicting
      severe harm if it comes in contact with your eyes. If you insist on
      using one of these products, please wear protective goggles and
      exercise extreme caution.
      As we mentioned, organic zinc compounds are already found in
      virtually every major brand of oil, both automotive and motorcycle.
      However, in recent years the oil companies voluntarily reduced the
      amount of zinc content in most of their products after research
      indicated the zinc was responsible for premature deterioration and
      damage to catalytic converters. Obviously this situation would not
      affect 99 percent of all the motorcycles on the road – however, it
      could have been a factor with the newer BMW converter – equipped
      bikes.
      Since the reduction in zinc content was implemented solely for
      the protection of catalytic converters, it is possible that some
      motorcycles might benefit from a slight increase in zinc content in
      their oils. This has been taken into account by at least one oil
      company, Spectro, which offers 0.02 to 0.03 percent more zinc
      compounds in its motorcycle oils than in its automotive oils.
      Since Spectro (Golden 4 brand, in this case) is a synthetic
      blend lubricant designed for extended drain intervals, this increase
      seems to be wholly justified. Also, available research indicates that
      Spectro has, in this case, achieved a sensible balance for extended
      application without increasing the zinc content to the point that it
      is likely to cause spark plug fouling or present a threat to
      converter- equipped BMW models.
      It would appear that someone at Spectro did their homework.

      Increased Standard Additives
      (More Is Not Necessarily Better)
      Though some additives may not contain anything harmful to your
      engine, and even some things that could be beneficial, most experts
      still recommend that you avoid their use. The reason for this is that
      your oil, as purchased from one of the major oil companies, already
      contains a very extensive additive package.
      This package is made up of numerous, specific additive
      components, blended to achieve a specific formula that will meet the
      requirements of your engine. Usually, at least several of these
      additives will be synergistic. That is, they react mutually, in
      groups of two or more, to create an effect that none of them could
      attain individually. Changing or adding to this formula can upset the
      balance and negate the protective effect the formula was meant to
      achieve, even if you are only adding more of something that was
      already included in the initial package.
      If it helps, try to think of your oil like a cake recipe. Just
      because the original recipe calls for two eggs (which makes for a
      very moist and tasty cake), do you think adding four more eggs is
      going to make the cake better? Of course not. You’re going to upset
      the carefully calculated balance of ingredients and magnify the
      effect the eggs have on the recipe to the point that it ruins the
      entire cake. Adding more of a specific additive already contained in
      your oil is likely to produce similar results.
      This information should also be taken into account when adding
      to the oil already in your bike or when mixing oils for any reason,
      such as synthetic with petroleum. In these cases, always make sure
      the oils you are putting together have the same rating (SA, SE, SC,
      etc.). This tells you their additive packages are basically the same,
      or at least compatible, and are less likely to upset the balance or
      counteract each other.

      Detergents And Solvents
      Many of the older, better-known oil treatments on the market do
      not make claims nearly so lavish as the new upstarts. Old standbys
      like Bardahl, Rislone and Marvel Mystery Oil, instead offer things
      like “quieter lifters,” “reduced oil burning” and a “cleaner
      engine.”
      Most of these products are made up of solvents and detergents
      designed to dissolve sludge and carbon deposits inside your engine so
      they can be flushed or burned out. Wynn’s Friction Proofing Oil, for
      example, is 83 percent kerosene. Other brands use naphthalene,
      xylene, acetone and isopropanol. Usually, these ingredients will be
      found in a base of standard mineral oil.
      In general, these products are designed to do just the opposite
      of what the PTFE and zinc phosphate additives claim to do. Instead of
      leaving behind a “coating” or a “plating” on your engine surfaces,
      they are designed to strip away such things.
      All of these products will strip sludge and deposits out and
      clean up your engine, particularly if it is an older, abused one. The
      problem is, unless you have some way of determining just how much is
      needed to remove your deposits without going any further, such
      solvents also can strip away the boundary lubrication layer provided
      by your oil. Overuse of solvents is an easy trap to fall into, and
      one which can promote harmful metal-to-metal contact within your
      engine.
      As a general rule of thumb these products had their place and
      were at least moderately useful on older automobile and motorcycle
      engines of the Fifties and Sixties, but are basically unneeded on the
      more efficient engine designs of the past two decades.

      The Infamous “No Oil” Demo
      At at least three major motorcycle rallies this past year, we
      have witnessed live demonstrations put on to demonstrate the
      effectiveness of certain oil additives. The demonstrators would
      have a bench- mounted engine which they would fill with oil and a
      prescribed dose of their “miracle additive.” After running the engine
      for a while they would stop it, drain out the oil and start it up
      again. Instant magic! The engine would run perfectly well for hours
      on end, seemingly proving the effectiveness of the additive which had
      supposedly “coated” the inside of the engine so well it didn’t even
      need the oil to run. In one case, we saw this done with an actual
      motorcycle, which would be rid den around the parking lot after
      having its oil drained. A pretty convincing demonstration – until you
      know the facts.
      Since some of these demonstrations were conducted using Briggs
      and Stratton engines, the Briggs and Stratton Company itself
      decided to run a similar, but somewhat more scientific, experiment.
      Taking two brand-new, identical engines straight off their assembly
      line, they set them up for bench-testing. The only difference was
      that one had the special additive included with its oil and the other
      did not. Both were operated for 20 hours before being shut down and
      having the oil drained from them. Then both were started up again and
      allowed to run for another 20 straight hours. Neither engine seemed
      to have any problem performing this “minor miracle.”
      After the second 20-hour run, both engines were completely torn
      down and inspected by the company’s engineers. What they found was
      that both engines suffered from scored crankpin bearings, but the
      engine treated with the additive also suffered from heavy cylinder
      bore damage that was not evident on the untreated engine.
      This points out once again the inherent problem with particulate
      oil additives: They can cause oil starvation. This is particularly
      true in the area of piston rings, where there is a critical need for
      adequate oil flow. In practically all of the reports and studies on
      oil additives, and particularly those involving suspended solids like
      PTFE, this has been reported as a major area of engine damage.

      The Best of The Worst
      Not all engine oil additives are as potentially harmful as some
      of those we have described here. However, the best that can be said
      of those that have not proved to be harmful is that they haven’t been
      proved to offer any real benefits, either. In some cases, introducing
      an additive with a compatible package of components to your oil in
      the right proportion and at the right time can conceivably extend the
      life of your oil. However, in every case we have studied it proves
      out that it would actually have been cheaper to simply change the
      engine oil instead.
      In addition, recent new evidence has come to light that makes
      using almost any additive a game of Russian Roulette. Since the
      additive distributors do not list the ingredients contained within
      their products, you never know for sure just what you are putting in
      your engine.
      Recent tests have shown that even some of the most inoffensive
      additives contain products which, though harmless in their initial
      state, convert to hydrofluoric acid when exposed to the temperatures
      inside a firing cylinder. This acid is formed as part of the exhaust
      gases, and though it is instantly expelled from your engine and seems
      to do it no harm, the gases collect inside your exhaust system and
      eat away at your mufflers from the inside out.

      Whatever The Market Will Bear
      The pricing of oil additives seems to follow no particular
      pattern whatsoever. Even among those products that seem to be almost
      identical, chemically, retail prices covered an extremely wide range.
      For example:
      One 32-ounce bottle of Slick 50 (with PTFE) cost us $29.95 at a
      discount house that listed the retail price as $59.95, while a
      32-ounce bottle of T-Plus (which claims to carry twice as much PTFE
      as the Slick 50) cost us only $15.88.
      A 32-ounce bottle of STP Engine Treatment (containing what they
      call XEP2), which they claim they can prove “outperforms leading PTFE
      engine treatments,” cost us $17.97. Yet a can of K Mart Super Oil
      Treatment, which listed the same zinc-derivative ingredient as that
      listed for the XEP2, cost us a paltry $2.67.
      Industry experts estimate that the actual cost of producing most
      oil additives is from one-tenth to one-twentieth of the asking
      retail price. Certainly no additive manufacturer has come forward
      with any exotic, high-cost ingredient or list of ingredients to
      dispute this claim. As an interesting note along with this, back
      before there was so much competition in the field to drive prices
      down, Petrolon (Slick 50) was selling their PTFE products for as much
      as $400 per treatment! The words “buyer beware” seem to take on very
      real significance when talking about oil additives.

      The Psychological Placebo
      You have to wonder, with the volume of evidence accumulating against
      oil additives, why so many of us still buy them. That’s the
      million-dollar question, and it’s just as difficult to answer as why
      so many of us smoke cigarettes, drink hard liquor or engage in any
      other number of questionable activities. We know they aren’t good for
      us – but we go ahead and do them anyway.
      Part of the answer may lie in what some psychiatrists call the
      “psychological placebo effect.” Simply put, that means that many of
      us hunger for that peace of mind that comes with believing we have
      purchased the absolute best or most protection we can possibly get.
      Even better, there’s that wonderfully smug feeling that comes
      with thinking we might be a step ahead of the pack, possessing
      knowledge of something just a bit better than everyone else.
      Then again, perhaps it comes from an ancient, deep-seated need
      we all seem to have to believe in magic. There has never been any
      shortage of unscrupulous types ready to cash in on our willingness to
      believe that there’s some magical mystery potion we can buy to help
      us lose weight, grow hair, attract the opposite sex or make our
      engines run longer and better. I doubt that there’s a one of us who
      hasn’t fallen for one of these at least once in our lifetimes. We
      just want it to be true so bad that we can’t help ourselves.

      Testimonial Hype vs. Scientific Analysis
      In general, most producers of oil additives rely on personal
      “testimonials” to advertise and promote their products. A typical
      print advertisement will be one or more letters from a satisfied
      customer stating something like, “1 have used Brand X in my engine
      for 2 years and 50,000 miles and it runs smoother and gets better
      gas mileage than ever before. I love this product and would recommend
      it to anyone.”
      Such evidence is referred to as “anecdotal” and is most commonly
      used to pro mote such things as miracle weight loss diets and
      astrology.
      Whenever I see one of these ads I am reminded of a stunt played
      out several years ago by Allen Funt of “Candid Camera” that clearly
      demonstrated the side of human nature that makes such advertising
      possible.
      With cameras in full view, fake “product demonstrators” would
      offer people passing through a grocery store the opportunity to
      taste-test a “new soft drink.” What the victims didn’t know was that
      they were being given a horrendous concoction of castor oil, garlic
      juice, tabasco sauce and several other foul-tasting ingredients.
      After taking a nice, big swallow, as instructed by the demonstrators,
      the unwitting victims provided huge laughs for the audience by
      desperately trying to conceal their anguish and disgust. Some
      literally turned away from the cameras and spit the offending potion
      on the floor.

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        The fascinating part came when about one out of four of the
        victims would actu ally turn back to the cameras and proclaim the new
        drink was “Great” or “Unique” or, in several cases, “One of the best
        things I’ve ever tasted!” Go figure.
        The point is, compiling “personal testimonials” for a product is
        one of the easiest things an advertising company can do – and one of
        the safest, too. You see, as long as they are only expressing some
        one else’s personal opinion, they don’t have to prove a thing! It’s
        just an opinion, and needs no basis in fact whatsoever.
        On the other hand, there has been documented, careful
        scientific analysis done on numerous oil additives by accredited
        institutions and researchers.
        For example:
        Avco Lycoming, a major manufacturer of aircraft engines,
        states, “We have tried every additive we could find on the market,
        and they are all worthless.”
        Briggs and Stratton, renowned builders of some of the most
        durable engines in the world, says in their report on engine oil
        additives, “They do not appear to offer any benefits.”
        North Dakota State University conducted tests on oil
        additives and said in their report, “The theory sounds good- the only
        problem is that the products simply don’t work.”
        And finally, Ed Hackett, chemist at the University of Nevada
        Desert Research Center, says, “Oil additives should not be used. The
        oil companies have gone to great lengths to develop an additive pack
        age that meets the vehicle’s requirements. If you add anything to
        this oil you may upset the balance and prevent the oil from
        performing to specification.”
        Petrolon, Inc., of Houston, Texas, makers of Petrolon and
        producers of at least a dozen other lubrication products containing
        PTFE, including Slick 50 and Slick 30 Motorcycle Formula, claim that,
        “Multiple tests by independent laboratories have shown that when
        properly applied to an automotive engine, Slick 50 Engine Formula
        reduces wear on engine parts. Test results have shown that Slick 50
        treated engines sustained 50 percent less wear than test engines run
        with premium motor oil alone.”
        Sounds pretty convincing, doesn’t it?
        The problem is, Petrolon and the other oil additive companies
        that claim “scientific evidence” from “independent laboratories,”
        all refuse to identify the laboratories that conducted the tests or
        the criteria under which the tests were conducted. They claim they
        are “contractually bound” by the laboratories to not reveal their
        identities.
        In addition, the claim of “50 percent less wear” has never
        been proven on anything approaching a long-term basis. Typical
        examples used to support the additive makers’ claims involve engines
        run from 100 to 200 hours after treatment, during which time the
        amount of wear particles in the oil decreased. While this has proven
        to be true in some cases, it has also been proven that after 400 to
        500 hours of running the test engines invariably reverted to
        producing just as many wear particles as before treatment, and in
        some cases, even more.
        No matter what the additive makers would like you to believe,
        nothing has been proven to stop normal engine wear.
        You will note that all of the research facilities quoted in this
        article are clearly identified. They have no problem with making
        their findings public. You will also note that virtually all of their
        findings about oil additives are negative. That’s not because we
        wanted to give a biased report against oil additives – it’s because
        we couldn’t find a single laboratory, engine manufacturer or
        independent research facility who would make a public claim, with
        their name attached to it, that any of the additives were actually
        beneficial to an engine. The conclusion seems inescapable.
        As a final note on advertising hype versus the real world, we
        saw a television ad the other night for Slick 50 oil additive. The ad
        encouraged people to buy their product on the basis of the fact that,
        “Over 14 million Americans have tried Slick 50!” Great. We’re sure
        you could just as easily say, “Over 14 million Americans have smoked
        cigarettes!”-but is that really any reason for you to try it? Of
        course not, because you’ve seen the scientific evidence of the harm
        it can do. The exact same principle applies here.

        In Conclusion
        The major oil companies are some of the richest, most powerful
        and aggressive corporations in world. They own multi- million dollar
        research facilities manned by some of the best chemical engineers
        money can hire. It is probably safe to say that any one of them has
        the capabilities and resources at hand in marketing, distribution,
        advertising, research and product development equal to 20 times that
        of any of the independent additive companies. It therefore stands to
        reason that if any of these additive products were actu ally capable
        of improving the capabilities of engine lubricants, the major oil
        companies would have been able to determine that and to find some way
        to cash in on it.
        Yet of all the oil additives we found, none carried the name or
        endorsement of any of the major oil producers.
        In addition, all of the major vehicle and engine manufacturers
        spend millions of dollars each year trying to increase the longevity
        of their products, and millions more paying off warranty claims when
        their products fail. Again, it only stands to reason that if they
        thought any of these additives would increase the life or improve the
        performance of their engines, they would be actively using and
        selling them – or at least endorsing their use.
        Instead, many of them advise against the use of these additives
        and, in some cases, threaten to void their warranty coverage if such
        things are found to be used in their products.
        In any story of this nature, absolute “facts” are virtually
        impossible to come by. Opinions abound. Evidence that points one
        direction or the other is avail able, but has to be carefully
        ferreted out, and is not always totally reliable or completely
        verifiable.
        In this environment, conclusions reached by known,
        knowledgeable experts in the field must be given a certain amount of
        weight. Conclusions reached by unknown, unidentifiable sources must
        be discounted almost totally. That which is left must be weighed, one
        side against the other, in an attempt to reach a “reasonable”
        conclusion.
        In the case of oil additives, there is a considerable volume of
        evidence against their effectiveness. This evidence comes from
        well-known and identifiable expert sources, including independent
        research laboratories, state universities, major engine
        manufacturers, and even NASA.
        Against this rather formidable barrage of scientific research,
        additive makers offer not much more than their own claims of
        effectiveness, plus questionable and totally unscientific personal
        testimonials. Though the purveyors of these products state they have
        studies from other independent laboratories supporting their claims,
        they refuse to identify the labs or provide copies of the research.
        The only test results they will share are those from their own
        testing departments, which must, by their very nature, be taken with
        a rather large grain of salt.

        [End of original article]

        ************************************************** **********

        As if we needed any more evidence about the bogus claims
        of the “Snake Oil” merchants, there’s an interesting article
        in the October 1998 issue of Consumer Report magazine about
        an oil additive called “Prolong”. Their nationwide television
        ads claim that this oil treatment bonds a 1-molecule-thick
        low-friction coating to metal surfaces in the engine resulting
        in longer life, better mileage, more savings. It supposedly
        protects the engine even when the oil is drained. The ads show
        Al Unser driving a Dodge Viper on a racetrack in the Mojave Desert
        without oil or drain plug, and a testimonial from a woman who
        supposedly drove from Santa Barbara to L.A., almost 5 hours,
        with no engine oil.

        Consumer Report took two factory rebuilt GM 4.3 litre V6 motors,
        had them installed into Chevy Caprices, broke them in with regular oil,
        changed the oil and filter, added Prolong to one engine, drove another
        hundred miles or so to let the stuff take effect, then drained
        the oil out. Both engines failed simultaneously after 5 miles
        and about 13 minutes. The Federal Trade Commission has been notified.

        ************************************************** **********

        And in the January 1999 issue of Cycle Canada magazine, we read
        “The manufacturers of Slick 50 oil additive and Splitfire spark plugs
        have been forced to deal with class-action lawsuits launched in the US
        regarding false television and print advertising claims. Settlements
        are likely to take the form of discounts and rebates to consumers
        who purchased the products.”

        #553898
        BluesnutBluesnut
        Participant

          Thank you for posting that. It’s quite a lengthy read but does hit the nail on the head.

          Snake oil is a very lucrative multi-billion dollar market so I don’t expect it will go away soon. There are too many people suckered in by glitzy advertising, celebrity endorsements, BS testimonials, and car owner prayers in which the car owner prays for a miracle and believes the prayer was answered after dumping in a bottle of X Brand whatever.

          A few years back I read a discussion about Z-Max being the finest product ever offered to the general public. It was stated that Z-Max was endorsed by Carroll Shelby who would certainly not endorse the product if it were worthless.
          Wanna bet? Shelby (whom I greatly admire and respect) was just doing some corporate whoring and of course he will endorse it if the price is right.

          Even retired NASCAR driver Rusty Wallace endorsed warranty company U.S. Fidelis and look how that worked out…..

          There comes a time and a place where a certain additive might be worth a shot; usually in the case of suspected fuel contamination, stiffening up an oil on a problem engine, or possibly an additive to see if a sticky hydraulic valve lifter might clear up. As a routine use I don’t see it.

          #553997
          Kevin CriswellKevin Criswell
          Participant

            I hate aftermarket warranty companies.

            I thought I was lucky years ago when I was a “authorized” repair center for US Fidelis .

            What a @%$#%ing mess.

            They either outright denied claims or their “labor times” we so low they barely covered anything.

            For example we had a customer that had a bad transmission and US Fidelis reimbursed the customer for a quarter of the labor time to change it and made them buy the transmission.

            Than when I discovered the owners of Fidelis (2 brothers) were convicted felons and were under investigation for fraud we stopped doing business with them.

            #554159
            Harold SmithHarold Smith
            Participant

              Yes, some are negatives. However, some are positives! I use Engine Restore in my vehicles, and have been for 20 years. I started using it in my 81 Plymouth Reliant K Car once it reached 60,000 miles. When I junked the car because the body rusted off, it had 300,000 miles on it. The engine still ran fine! I also used it in my 1993 Toyota Truck that I bought new when it reached 40,000 miles. I sold the truck at 272,000 miles to an individual. He drove it for years after that. Restore is the only additive I will use or recommend to other people. It has proven its self to me. 🙂

              #554173
              Kevin CriswellKevin Criswell
              Participant

                [quote=”Sparky9614″ post=77645]Yes, some are negatives. However, some are positives! I use Engine Restore in my vehicles, and have been for 20 years. I started using it in my 81 Plymouth Reliant K Car once it reached 60,000 miles. When I junked the car because the body rusted off, it had 300,000 miles on it. The engine still ran fine! I also used it in my 1993 Toyota Truck that I bought new when it reached 40,000 miles. I sold the truck at 272,000 miles to an individual. He drove it for years after that. Restore is the only additive I will use or recommend to other people. It has proven its self to me. :)[/quote]

                The question is though, What it the Restore? Or the way you naturally took care of the vehicle?

                #554176
                Harold SmithHarold Smith
                Participant

                  Both. At the time I had the K car and Toyota, I ran Havoline conventional oil with the Restore and a top name oil filter. I changed the oil and filter royally every 3,000 miles. I still run the restore but I now use AMSOIL and filters. If you have a vehicle with 100,000 miles on it; check the engine compression. Add the Restore, and drive it 500 miles; and check the compression again. You will see a compression improvement. The stuff works for me.

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