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    Bad_dudeBad_dude
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      Hello every one,
      I have a 90 Accord LX 4AT.

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    • #453282
      Bad_dudeBad_dude
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        Quoted From Beefy:

        Honestly, it doesn’t sound like anything that is an emergency. If you have no play in your steering or suspension components, and everything looks fine, you could ride on it for awhile. The noise may get worse, allowing easier diagnosis. I guess one thing you could do is try turning the cv-axle back and forth and seeing if you feel play or hear a noise in there. Other than that, I would personally leave it alone for now if you can stand the noise.

        Thanks. How do you turn the cv-axle back and forth? With a pry bar?

        #453283
        MattMatt
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          I would use my hands i guess, and just get a good grip, and see if there is any play. Ramps would be better than jacking the car up, so the wheel won’t spin. Although to be honest, I’d be surprised if you found anything. I’m basically out of suggestions for you as for a noise that is slightly present from acceleration to 30 mph. I am out of straws to throw out there.

          #453284
          EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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            Tires, tires, tires. Honda’s don’t like anything but Michelins use anything else and there is often a problem like what you describe, tires are your MOST important investment on ANY car and you’ll defiantly get the most bang for your buck here.

            The biggest clue is that you said you feel it at low speed, ANYTIME you have a low speed ‘wobble’ issue it’s 99.9999999% tires. Suspension parts don’t cause vibrations rotating assemblies do. You may have rotated the tires with the same result but I’m sure if you change them out for ‘better’ tires the issue will go away. BTW if you have aluminum wheels make darn sure they clean the rims of corrosion before installing the new tires if not they will forever leak.

            #453285
            Bad_dudeBad_dude
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              Quoted From EricTheCarGuy:

              Tires, tires, tires. Honda’s don’t like anything but Michelins use anything else and there is often a problem like what you describe, tires are your MOST important investment on ANY car and you’ll defiantly get the most bang for your buck here.

              The biggest clue is that you said you feel it at low speed, ANYTIME you have a low speed ‘wobble’ issue it’s 99.9999999% tires. Suspension parts don’t cause vibrations rotating assemblies do. You may have rotated the tires with the same result but I’m sure if you change them out for ‘better’ tires the issue will go away. BTW if you have aluminum wheels make darn sure they clean the rims of corrosion before installing the new tires if not they will forever leak.

              Hey Eric,
              I didn’t know when I bought the tires 3.5 years ago. They wanted $480 for the Michelins. So these are more attractive in price, $200 installed.
              A few things I would like to ask:
              1) If the problem is tires, why didn’t it occur when I got the car and it just occurred about a week now? Is it b/c these tires are getting old?
              2) I don’t get lucky enough to have any of the fancy wheel thus I put on the least expensive tires.

              Thanks.

              #453286
              dreamer2355dreamer2355
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                You may have an issue with the belts on the tires, possibly due to wear.

                You get what you pay for when it comes to automotive parts unfortunately.

                #453287
                Bad_dudeBad_dude
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                  ok. My car is due for a weekly cleaning and waxing. I jacked the effected side up and see if there’s a little rock or something stuck in there that could have caused that. Didn’t see any thing suspicious. I get some silicone spray I bought from Walmart and I spray the little gaps in the axle nut as it looks dried up. I get some fine sand paper and sanded the little rusted area inside of the wheel hub and inside of the tire rim and lube it with some anti seize. Put the tire back on. Drove home and the sound seems to have disappear. Also I felt the tires to be over inflated as I hit little bumps. I can feel every single one but very hard compare to the usual. Checked the tire pressure and sure they all are over inflated. The tire max is 36 PSI. They put all of them cold at 35 PSI. They normally put them at 32 PSI during the cooler season and 30 during the summer. I took some air out and it ride smooth again.
                  Oh yeah. Got my car back.
                  Once in a while I drive it hard just to make sure it can still do it. When I get a job, I am going to replace the springs and shock to get a better handling. Also replace the bushings. It’s going to be an on going project.
                  Thanks for all of the help guys.

                  #453288
                  EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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                    Tire pressure will do it, also if the wheels are not torqued properly that can also have an effect. You’re spot on at 32psi I believe but the listing for it should be on the door jamb or in the glovebox. Also I can’t stress enough how tires effect EVERY part of vehicle operation, think about it everything about an automobile comes down to 4 spots where it touches the road, if you’re going to spend money spend it on tires and it will be the best investment you’ll ever make, always buy the best tires you can afford and don’t ‘cheep out’ as it almost always comes back to bite you in the butt. Thanks for the update.

                    #453289
                    Steve WolfAccordinGB
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                      Have the tire place check for bent rims.

                      #453290
                      Bad_dudeBad_dude
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                        Quoted From AccordinGB:

                        Have the tire place check for bent rims.

                        The rims are not bent. I saw it on the balancer and rotates straight.
                        Thanks.

                        #453291
                        spelunkerdspelunkerd
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                          I presume it’s front wheel drive. Have you tried jacking the front of the vehicle up, and then running it in gear CAREFULLY, with the rear wheels chocked? You might be surprised how easy it is to make a diagnosis when you listen from outside the vehicle. However, BEWARE, sudden loss of life or limb is just inches away, if you get caught under the vehicle with the wheels and drive train spinning. And if it slips off the jack, your car will drive straight into what lies in front.

                          Or, if you can swing it, get somebody to put the vehicle up on a lift and run it in drive on the lift. A possibly safer way would be to go to a quiet parking lot and walk beside while a helper drives past you. I find the audio of my video camera is quite directional, and you can easily localize sound with the camera. You might be able to mount a camera under the vehicle and see what is happening. I’ll guess it’s a front CV joint or maybe a brake pad that is twisted.

                          #453292
                          Bad_dudeBad_dude
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                            Well, with the cool morning I checked the tire pressure and they all were 34 psi. The label on the side of the car says 29 psi. So I lowered them all to 31 psi for gas mileage. The max on the tires are 35 psi. Well the sounds and problem is still there. From the feel of it, I am certain it’s not tires b/c I had problems with tires before and also brakes. I think the problems might be:
                            1) Axle. It’s old and it’s possible it failing without the boot tear and it’s yet to fail completely to show the clicking when making turns. It’s possible when going high speed I don’t hear it b/c of engine noise.
                            2) Bearing. Without any play, I don’t think it’s that.
                            3) Upper control arm bushings. I don’t think it’s this but could be possible.

                            My solution:
                            1) Next week I take it a shop that I trust, lift it off the ground and run the wheels to see where the noise is coming from. It’s possible with the car in the air there’s pressure on the tires, there might not be any noise coming from the problem.
                            2) Drive it until the failure is more prominent thus the problem is easier to diagnose. It’s a matter of time before some thing fail so why not let time tell me.
                            All I know it’s not some thing dangerous as long I don’t go far out of town.

                            Thanks.

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