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    drthrift035drthrift035
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      I keep hearing from people that ” Trade Work ” was something that people who were not academically inclined went into. Today, particularly Automotive work requires you to have many skills in various areas. From basic trouble shooting.ie. Steering & suspension problems. To more complex electrical diagnosis.

      In my opinion, automotive has reached the stage where you will not survive being just a wrench turner. You have to be able to do many things well.

      Please let me know what you think ETCG COMMUNITY !!!!

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      A toyotakarlIts me
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        Here is just my opinion…

        Educators in High Schools for years have been telling us and young people that you can’t do anything without a college degree and that everyone should go to college and do something other than what most of us call work…. So there is perception amongst people now that work with their hands is that “They could not do anything else”….. It is an ignorant and insulting frame of mind, but something that still is purveying in our society…

        Now we have kids that are $70,000 in debt for a 4 year degree in basketweaving studies and they wonder why they can’t find a job….. Wow…

        Society will always have a need for Plumbers, Welders, Machinists and Automotive/Aircraft Technicians…. Some of these people could be anything they want… Doctors, lawyers, bankers (the ‘Good’ professions according to most of these smug educators) but chose to do a blue collar profession because they love it…..

        The Youtube video by Mike Rowe at congress is chilling and true…..

        JMHO

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        BillBill
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          [quote=”drthrift035″ post=65079]I keep hearing from people that ” Trade Work ” was something that people who were not academically inclined went into.

          Fifty years ago trades were considered “Bull Work” and you didn’t need an education to do that. That’s where the term “Grease Monkey” came from.

          When i started out i only had a high school education. When you applied for a job employers seldom asked about education. They just asked if you could read and wright english. If you didn’t look like a “NERD” and were not wearing rags for clothes and were enthusiastic about working they would give you a chance. Also, if you didn’t have an education you were less costly to employ.

          A great portion of people who were not educated came from parents who were not educated either but had good work ethics as they had kept their mouths shut and worked their butts off to servive and to raise a Family.

          Today…unfortunately, it’s hard to get hired for “Trade Work” without an education. Using a Damn shovel requires an education so you don’t damage technology by putting the shovel in the wrong place.

          Maybe if i was educated i wouldn’t have messed up the quote in this post LoL

          #533383
          Jack PatteeuwJack Patteeuw
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            Powertrain electronics diagnostics as to be the most challenging task in the auto repair business today. Check out ScannerDanner channel on YouTube. He throws around a lot of electronic theory that I’m certain many auto techs do not understand. But it his understanding of that theory that allows him to diagnosis vehicles so well.

            I’m sorry, it takes a lot more brain power to understand high side vs low side drivers, pull up vs pull down circuits, hall effect vs variable reluctance sensors, etc., than to swap brake pads, install ball joints and tie rod ends. Both type of technicians are required, but many customers do not understand the difference.

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            DanielDaniel
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              I did cable for a few years before getting into automotive. All those “college graduates” are dip shits. They all have an unfounded sense of entitlement and superiority. When the zombie apocalypse happens, their uppance will come!

              #534101
              drthrift035drthrift035
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                That’s a Damn good point. I know this guy. Before he went to University he was just a regular guy. Now that he has his degree. He’s this Arrogant UNEMPLOYED LOSER. Who things that the world owes him something. That’s a really good point.

                #534105
                DavidDavid
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                  Nowadays all you need is a laptop and you can be a mechanic.
                  Everything is done by a computer and sensors.
                  Give me the old skool cars anyday.

                  #534244
                  DanielDaniel
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                    While I do prefer the more mechanical older cars, I disagree that (in newer cars)computers do all the diagnostics for you. for example: you can have a misfire code in a new car but still need to determine whether the wiring, coil, or plug are at fault. likewise; in an older car, if you feel a misfire, you need to check things like plugs, wires, distributor, etc. New cars are typically no harder or easier than older cars to diagnose or repair, you just use a different methodology. It’s almost like learning a different language.

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                    drthrift035drthrift035
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                      That’s a good point. I like the way you put it. No easier or harder. It’s just the method that you use to get the job done. Like learning a new language.

                      Wow. There are so many intelligent people on this site. This is probably the best collection of people for automotive anywhere in the world. Different views and skill levels. It’s great.

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