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There is nothing to discuss, this is the law.
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Notice that it doesn’t mention fwd or rwd, that is because it doesn’t matter
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I put these oversized Winterforce tires on the front of my Honda this past winter and left stock sized 6/32″ all season Kumhos on the back. It was a constant test of driving skill and good judgment everytime there was snow on the ground. I looked like the lower illustration any time I took a turn at a normal speed for the snow tires, even if I wasn’t slowing down. It was good for keeping me on my toes, but I’ll be glad to get another two Winterforces for next year.
I did learn a very good point from your post. I’m going to bring this up at work and see if a poster or illustration like that can’t be added to the service lounge or be used while talking to customers. Thanks, man.
That is what we use it for at work, It is right behind the counter so if anyone asks we show them.
Also it is law that snow tires have to be installed in a complete set.
Perhaps the laws of common sense apply, but there’s nothing legally preventing someone from putting any tire anywhere you like. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
If you do it at home it is your own fault, but if you do it professionally you are legally responsible for the safety of the owner. This law came about because some shop put new tires on the front and the customer then crashed with either death or serious injury involved. During the following lawsuit it was brought up that the vehicle just had two tires put on the front then the shop that put the tires on got sued because the other tires were bad and should have been replaced but weren’t.
If you are a professional you are responsible for any work you do, and sometimes for work that you don’t do.
I bought new a Lancer Evolution in January 2004. In February we had an ice age. The OEM tire is an amazing tire in the dry but on snow it was helpless. I had a four snow tires on rims left over from a traded car. I could mount two on the rear but they would not fit the front due to the enormous brake calipers. So up there on one side went the tiny spare. It looked strange but drove pretty good.
For years I drove rear drive cars and each fall mounted snows on the rear. I’m obviously still alive. I remember my brother who lives in the South telling me about what happened in the Atlanta snowstorm of a year ago. He explained, “They had a special kind of snow – it was slippery.”
Im surprised its actually a law over there. It isn’t here. Here the legal requirement is just that all 4 tires match in size and type, ie same width, height and size as well summer or winter tires. As far as the law is concerned you are in the clear as long as your 4 winter or summer tires are the same size and as such, no regard for if they are 4 different brands. IT is RECOMMENDED that the newest tires gets put on the rear axle regardless, but its not mandated by law here.
[quote=”brokemechanic3000″ post=134300]During the following lawsuit it was brought up that the vehicle just had two tires put on the front then the shop that put the tires on got sued because the other tires were bad and should have been replaced but weren’t.
[/quote]If the tires was already bad/worn down then yes I can see this happen, but if the rear tires was not worn down to the indicator and there was nothing else wrong with them, then I fail to see how the garage can be at fault.
[quote=”brokemechanic3000″ post=135880]Because they should know better[/quote]
Even if the tires aren’t worn down or damaged?
Anyone have a link to the legal precedence of this? I know it is true but have not been able to find anything “Legal” that states this. I’m asking because I have been fighting with my boss over this very thing. Funny last manager we had I fought with over this and finally convinced him now we have a younger manager and he is one of those that is always rite even if he is wrong types.
[quote=”Hokiedad4″ post=136268]Common sense? Yes.
Good shop policy? Yes.
State or federal law? Nope.[/quote]
I get that it isn’t a state or federal law, I’ve looked. But if someone has been sued that means there is case law and therefore should be a record. I’ve heard businesses have been sued and forced to pay as much as $10,000,000.00 for putting new tires on the front causing an accident that has resulted in injury or death.
I get why we should put new tires on the rear it is my manager that doesn’t get it. It’s also not that I can’t find ANY information on this subject it is that he won’t accept just any website it has to be a tire manufacturer or stated law. Even though every tech in the shop has agreed with me whenever we discuss it.
Actually after posting this I decided to do a You Tube search and found a video from Michelin about this very subject. I’ll be trying this on him monday.
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Winning the “tort lawyer lottery” does not mean a law is necessary, but it should provide an incentive for tire companies to encourage compliance with sound practices.
Thanks for the excellent video. And by thew way, if this was law, certainly the Michelin representative would have been more than happy to point that out.
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