honda accord crank but no start

[chamarando]

got a small problem. my car crank but it does not start. its a 96 accord
i checked for spark is good, i checked time, and i also checked for any gas delivery problems, but is also ok
my cousin told me to try to start it with staring fluid, and it did start to my surprise but as soon as i turn it off

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[cb7ftw]

Can you give more info about the car?

[chamarando]

96 honda accord lx f22 engine
when i turn the key the car kind of start but it stall right away, first i though it was the gas pump, when i put starting fluid (a lot) the car starts, and i can drive it for as long as i want. only problem is that if i turn it off i have to do the starting fluid all over again

[johnzcarz]

If it started using starter fluid then I’d say that narrows it to a fueling issue. Can you check fuel pressure? Are the injectors firing?

[spelunkerd]

When you say you checked for gas delivery problems, what did you do to check that? When you turn the key to ‘on’ do you hear the fuel pump turn on? If not I would look at the fuel pump fuse and relay. Are you sure you have gas in the tank? Is there a chance your gas could be bad? I would check for fuel at the rail, maybe with a fuel pressure meter if you have access to one. If fuel pressure is low I would change the fuel filter and check for voltage at the fuel pump. I don’t know this vehicle well, but if it has an inertia switch I would check to be sure it has not been tripped. If all of that is OK I would wonder if the carburetor or fuel injectors are dirty.

[619DioFan]

Quoted From johnzcarz:

If it started using starter fluid then I’d say that narrows it to a fueling issue. Can you check fuel pressure? Are the injectors firing?

+ 1 on checking for proper fuel pressure . you can p/u an inexpensive fuel pressure test kit from harbor freight tools. perform the following tests – key on engine off , key on engine running. see what you have pressure wise.

[Matt]

Quoted From chamarando:

96 honda accord lx f22 engine
when i turn the key the car kind of start but it stall right away, first i though it was the gas pump, when i put starting fluid (a lot) the car starts, and i can drive it for as long as i want. only problem is that if i turn it off i have to do the starting fluid all over again

Ok, that’s a wierd one. I’ve never personally experienced a car that will run on after firing up on starting fluid, especially repeatedly. Does it matter whether the engine’s cold or hot? I agree to check the fuel pressure KOEO and KOER, once you get it running. Here’s a video on the basics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJF5Lli4xq8

For kicks, check the fuel pressure regulator vacuum line for cracks or holes. This is a trippy one…

[dreamer2355]

Here are some video’s by Eric that should aid in your diagnosis –

No start basics –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBUYs539 … t3EVppbf88

No start (Honda) –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K78XIhh … 2rlniN7g3o

Honda possible no start due to main relay –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viIZ8k60 … 99HlbSvyqQ

You also may want to look at the electrical portion of your ignition switch. Try jiggling the key next time if it fails to start.

Also, dont forget the basics such as looking to see if the CEL is on as well as checking your fuses and battery cable connections.

If its failing to start, you need to see if your missing fuel or spark.

Keep us posted!

[chamarando]

Quoted From spelunkerd:

When you say you checked for gas delivery problems, what did you do to check that? When you turn the key to ‘on’ do you hear the fuel pump turn on? If not I would look at the fuel pump fuse and relay. Are you sure you have gas in the tank? Is there a chance your gas could be bad? I would check for fuel at the rail, maybe with a fuel pressure meter if you have access to one. If fuel pressure is low I would change the fuel filter and check for voltage at the fuel pump. I don’t know this vehicle well, but if it has an inertia switch I would check to be sure it has not been tripped. If all of that is OK I would wonder if the carburetor or fuel injectors are dirty.

yeah i can hear the gas pump, there some pressure at the fuel rail. about the relay could it be possible for the car to start with starting fluid even if the relay is bad? i also checked for voltage at the pump while i crank the engine and is good.

[chamarando]

Quoted From Beefy:

Ok, that’s a wierd one. I’ve never personally experienced a car that will run on after firing up on starting fluid, especially repeatedly. Does it matter whether the engine’s cold or hot? I agree to check the fuel pressure KOEO and KOER, once you get it running. Here’s a video on the basics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJF5Lli4xq8

For kicks, check the fuel pressure regulator vacuum line for cracks or holes. This is a trippy one…

well since the car does not start without the help of the starting fluid it does not really matter if the car is hot or cold. the filter how can i tell if it is clogged or if it need to be replaced?

[johnzcarz]

Quoted From chamarando:

well i loose the bolt from the fuel rail i had my fried turning the key to the on position, and it seems to me there was some decent pressure cuz i got the gas all over my face. about the injector i dont really know if the injector are firing.. but i guess they are.

The problem with testing it that way is you can’t really be sure if the pressure is enough to run the engine – you may get a lot of flow with no resistance (open system) but a different story when the pump needs to actually build up pressure in a closed system. I’m probably not explaining it right – this video will show you what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7qVwQSZ6OU

As for the injectors firing, usually you would use a noid light, but if you pull the plugs and they are wet that would tell me they are firing.

[outdoorsman310]

see if you can blow through the fuel filter if you cant it is probably plugged with debris and varnish

[chamarando]

Quoted From outdoorsman310:

see if you can blow through the fuel filter if you cant it is probably plugged with debris and varnish

thanks i just did that, the air passes through very freely

[chamarando]

Quoted From johnzcarz:

The problem with testing it that way is you can’t really be sure if the pressure is enough to run the engine – you may get a lot of flow with no resistance (open system) but a different story when the pump needs to actually build up pressure in a closed system. I’m probably not explaining it right – this video will show you what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7qVwQSZ6OU

As for the injectors firing, usually you would use a noid light, but if you pull the plugs and they are wet that would tell me they are firing.

thanks this video was very helpful.
now you bring to my attention that this car had previously a fuel pump issue

[chamarando]

Quoted From johnzcarz:

If it started using starter fluid then I’d say that narrows it to a fueling issue. Can you check fuel pressure? Are the injectors firing?

well i loose the bolt from the fuel rail i had my fried turning the key to the on position, and it seems to me there was some decent pressure cuz i got the gas all over my face. about the injector i dont really know if the injector are firing.. but i guess they are.

[college man]

you may have a problem the the electrical portion of the ignition switch. curios how you checked timing when the car would not start? C8-)
your missing something. check the timing when the car is running. according to Honda forum. code 6 is coolant temp sensor. be sure your
coolant is full and free of air. also check the temp sensor wires and connector by pulling it off and check for cracks.next ohm out the engine
coolant temp sensor with the car running the resistance should increases as the coolant temp increases. honda forum says between 200- 400 ohms.
400 being almost out of range.you could go to radio shack and get a 200 ohm resistor. disconnect the ect sensor back probe the connector. Try
and start the car to see if it will run.that may rule out a bad ect sensor. good luck and keep us posted.

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