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about 2 months ago i noticed a tyre on my mom’s car was completely flat. So i put the donut on and tried airing up the tyre. It lost all air in a 24hr period. so i decided to cleck for a leak source (none at all) so i determined its a bead leak again so not wanting to spend the 20 bucks to fix it i decided to do a home remedy. A 16oz can of FaF floowed directions to the letter aired it up to 35psi and 2 months later holding air steady around 32psi. This is not the 1st time i have used FaF on the car howervr it is the 1st time i followed the directions to the letter or had a completely flat tyre to work with. So how many miles is a can of FaF meant to last? cars RARELY driven id say under 10 miles a month.
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The last part of your paragraph says a lot (I’ll explain)… “So how many miles is a can of FaF meant to last?”
Fix a flat is only intended as an emergency fix to get you to a tire/repair shop in order to get it fixed right… It may last another 10 months or another 10 minutes… You don’t know…
I also have to add that it should never be added to a tire that has TPMS…
Glad it worked for you for so long… I would recommend you get the tire fixed properly while it is convenient for you and not on a cold, rainy or snowy night…
-Karl
Honestly I’d say the FaF is likely more of a temporary ‘band aid’ meant to get you out of a bind but is not a replacement for actually getting the leak sealed correctly. Also, I hear the techs at tire places just love dealing with the mess on the inside of the tire after FaF.
If it were me I’d get it done correctly. I routinely get email coupons for free flat repair from places like Tire barn (in the US, not sure where you’re at) so it might be useful to see if any local places has online coupons for it.
[quote=”ToyotaKarl” post=107174]The last part of your paragraph says a lot (I’ll explain)… “So how many miles is a can of FaF meant to last?”
Fix a flat is only intended as an emergency fix to get you to a tire/repair shop in order to get it fixed right… It may last another 10 months or another 10 minutes… You don’t know…
I also have to add that it should never be added to a tire that has TPMS…
Glad it worked for you for so long… I would recommend you get the tire fixed properly while it is convenient for you and not on a cold, rainy or snowy night…
-Karl[/quote]
can says its safe for TPMS systems plus the TPMS dont work never drive it enough to program it to work properly also the thing has ABS and TCS both are shot ABS sensor on driver side front is shot not worth the money to fix IMO i perfer no ABS anyways ABS dont help you when it comes to slamming on brakes to avoid accidents. I cant count how many close calls i have had in my car (with no ABS at all) and if it had the ABS the skipping or paulsing of the ABS would have otherwised not allowed me to stop. Also the BRAKE Light came on after having the donut on i have been told this is from the ABS and TCS not working but this is NOT the case. the TCS and the ABS has not worked since the winter of 2011/2012 took out the sensor ans the BRAKE light has NEVER been on (ONLY THE ABS AND TRAC OFF Lights) the BRAKE light did not come on until after i took the donut off.
[quote=”AaronE” post=107175]Honestly I’d say the FaF is likely more of a temporary ‘band aid’ meant to get you out of a bind but is not a replacement for actually getting the leak sealed correctly. Also, I hear the techs at tire places just love dealing with the mess on the inside of the tire after FaF.
If it were me I’d get it done correctly. I routinely get email coupons for free flat repair from places like Tire barn (in the US, not sure where you’re at) so it might be useful to see if any local places has online coupons for it.[/quote]
had the car tyres fixed last year all four had bad bead leaks the shop had to use bead sealer and the mentioned tyre was on of the worst ones to be fixed all but 1 tyre still leaks (2 after using this can on th afformentioned tyre) so i would say they professional fix didnt hold.
[quote=”Matthew2014″ post=107176][quote=”ToyotaKarl” post=107174]The last part of your paragraph says a lot (I’ll explain)… “So how many miles is a can of FaF meant to last?”
Fix a flat is only intended as an emergency fix to get you to a tire/repair shop in order to get it fixed right… It may last another 10 months or another 10 minutes… You don’t know…
I also have to add that it should never be added to a tire that has TPMS…
Glad it worked for you for so long… I would recommend you get the tire fixed properly while it is convenient for you and not on a cold, rainy or snowy night…
-Karl[/quote]
can says its safe for TPMS systems plus the TPMS dont work never drive it enough to program it to work properly also the thing has ABS and TCS both are shot ABS sensor on driver side front is shot not worth the money to fix IMO i perfer no ABS anyways ABS dont help you when it comes to slamming on brakes to avoid accidents. I cant count how many close calls i have had in my car (with no ABS at all) and if it had the ABS the skipping or paulsing of the ABS would have otherwised not allowed me to stop. Also the BRAKE Light came on after having the donut on i have been told this is from the ABS and TCS not working but this is NOT the case. the TCS and the ABS has not worked since the winter of 2011/2012 took out the sensor ans the BRAKE light has NEVER been on (ONLY THE ABS AND TRAC OFF Lights) the BRAKE light did not come on until after i took the donut off.[/quote]
I won’t argue about the “supposed” benefits of ABS… I think ABS is over-hyped and have read many articles that show ABS is not that great and I do believe ABS was not the godsend it was supposed to be… I tell people who are faced with a $1000 plus bill for fixing their ABS that it is not necessary and somehow, people managed to live “back in the old days” with regular brakes… Pump when you slide on snow/ice, follow a safe distance, wear your seatbelts and maintain your brakes and drive on good tires…
JMHO
-Karl
As far as being TPMS safe…
[quote=”barneyb” post=107182]Tires mounted correctly on decent rims don’t leak.[/quote]
Alloy rims are prone to bead leaks
[quote=”ToyotaKarl” post=107183][quote=”Matthew2014″ post=107176][quote=”ToyotaKarl” post=107174]The last part of your paragraph says a lot (I’ll explain)… “So how many miles is a can of FaF meant to last?”
Fix a flat is only intended as an emergency fix to get you to a tire/repair shop in order to get it fixed right… It may last another 10 months or another 10 minutes… You don’t know…
I also have to add that it should never be added to a tire that has TPMS…
Glad it worked for you for so long… I would recommend you get the tire fixed properly while it is convenient for you and not on a cold, rainy or snowy night…
-Karl[/quote]
can says its safe for TPMS systems plus the TPMS dont work never drive it enough to program it to work properly also the thing has ABS and TCS both are shot ABS sensor on driver side front is shot not worth the money to fix IMO i perfer no ABS anyways ABS dont help you when it comes to slamming on brakes to avoid accidents. I cant count how many close calls i have had in my car (with no ABS at all) and if it had the ABS the skipping or paulsing of the ABS would have otherwised not allowed me to stop. Also the BRAKE Light came on after having the donut on i have been told this is from the ABS and TCS not working but this is NOT the case. the TCS and the ABS has not worked since the winter of 2011/2012 took out the sensor ans the BRAKE light has NEVER been on (ONLY THE ABS AND TRAC OFF Lights) the BRAKE light did not come on until after i took the donut off.[/quote]
I won’t argue about the “supposed” benefits of ABS… I think ABS is over-hyped and have read many articles that show ABS is not that great and I do believe ABS was not the godsend it was supposed to be… I tell people who are faced with a $1000 plus bill for fixing their ABS that it is not necessary and somehow, people managed to live “back in the old days” with regular brakes… Pump when you slide on snow/ice, follow a safe distance, wear your seatbelts and maintain your brakes and drive on good tires…
JMHO
-Karl
As far as being TPMS safe…[/quote]
Do tell on the TPMS being safe. I saw Video on a after market TPMS for any car that is more precise than factory TPMS as it tells the pressure of each tyre. Unfortunately getting such a system would be a aftermarket cost of over $200. Also the same shop the did the tyre work on this car also pulled the ABS Codes and said to fix said bad sensor would be $500 as it requires replacing the entire wheel hub assembly and wheel bearing as a whole they also had a cheaper option which is just the sensor assembly that connects to the wheel hub and that was $275 so we decided its not even worth the fix yea the TCS was nice and we loved it when it worked but is Traction control worth $500? nope! the TCS kinda killed all the fun in the winter driving experience I couldn’t do burnouts or fishtails with Traction control working 😆
[quote=”Matthew2014″ post=107187][quote=”barneyb” post=107182]Tires mounted correctly on decent rims don’t leak.[/quote]
Alloy rims are prone to bead leaks[/quote]
I’m not going to say you can’t get bead leaks, but four on the same car at the same time? Something is wrong there.
[quote=”barneyb” post=107182]Tires mounted correctly on decent rims don’t leak.[/quote]
Perfectly true for sound undamaged wheels. Never ever had an issue with any of mine over many years.
The guy has not mentioned how old the car is and if it is left out in the weather.
1. Aside from the odd quality control failure where you find porous metal on an undamaged rim allowing air to escape, deterioration of the rim surface protection (paint/clear coat) can see aluminium oxide corrosion develop in the bead area with the possible result of leaks between the rim and tire bead given enough time.
Damage to the clear coating/ paint usually occurs in areas where the wheel is exposed to the most friction and stress.
Constant friction between the tire and wheel at the bead area may cause the wheel coating to deteriorate. Any water, dirt or other material that manages to penetrate this area will accelerate the corrosion process. Damage in this area may be harder to spot because it’s normally hidden by the tire. By the time corrosion appears on the face of the wheel near the bead, there will no doubt be plenty of corrosion hiding where you can’t see it until the tire is removed.
2. Of course we all also see numerous cases of damaged alloys from carelessness and abuse etc. that should see the rims replaced. But they are not.
[quote=”cam0888″ post=107200][quote=”barneyb” post=107182]Tires mounted correctly on decent rims don’t leak.[/quote]
Perfectly true for sound undamaged wheels. Never ever had an issue with any of mine over many years.
The guy has not mentioned how old the car is and if it is left out in the weather.
1. Aside from the odd quality control failure where you find porous metal on an undamaged rim allowing air to escape, deterioration of the rim surface protection (paint/clear coat) can see aluminium oxide corrosion develop in the bead area with the possible result of leaks between the rim and tire bead given enough time.
Damage to the clear coating/ paint usually occurs in areas where the wheel is exposed to the most friction and stress.
Constant friction between the tire and wheel at the bead area may cause the wheel coating to deteriorate. Any water, dirt or other material that manages to penetrate this area will accelerate the corrosion process. Damage in this area may be harder to spot because it’s normally hidden by the tire. By the time corrosion appears on the face of the wheel near the bead, there will no doubt be plenty of corrosion hiding where you can’t see it until the tire is removed.
2. Of course we all also see numerous cases of damaged alloys from carelessness and abuse etc. that should see the rims replaced. But they are not.[/quote]
Sorry i will provide info. The car is a ’01 Chevy Impala LS it has the Alloy wheels which have a center hub cap coving the lug nuts and axle bolts we bought the car used in 2008 all 4 rims are BADLY scraped and scuffed up around the center caps. The Tyres are GOODYEAR NASCAR tyres. They were brand new in 2008 when we bought the car. Car was not well taken care of by the previous owner it has cigar burns on the headliner all the interior certesy lights (Trunk driver side floor and rear lights (has a sunroof) were all missing. It seems to burn oil but does not use any (Dumped a quart of 10-40 into it) and that made it stop using oil.
Fix a flat will plug up the TPMS sensor making you have to spend 50 to 100 dollars per sensor. When I find a tire with fix a flat in it on a TPMS vehicle I automatically get a new sensor. I then show the customer the sensor covered in slime with the tiny sensor hole plugged up.
[quote=”brokemechanic3000″ post=107246]Fix a flat will plug up the TPMS sensor making you have to spend 50 to 100 dollars per sensor. When I find a tire with fix a flat in it on a TPMS vehicle I automatically get a new sensor. I then show the customer the sensor covered in slime with the tiny sensor hole plugged up.[/quote]
i could care less about TPMS what’s the point? it it really that hard to check you tyre pressure when you gassing up? My car i check it like once every 3 months aint had to add air in over a year
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