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A little bit about the car first. It is a 95 Honda civic with 225K miles on it. The car had been sitting for just a month before I changed the oil yesterday. Then I drove it to get some groceries and it all seemed normal. On my way back, the engine just stalled suddenly while it was still running. I tried start it but it wouldn’t, so I had to had it towed home. After I jacked it up, what I saw just puzzled me.
It seems to me the timing belt is inside out and the timing belt drive pulley is out of place too.
I have had the car for over a year and a half. It was my daily driver and it has been driven fine.
I am not sure if it is the result of a broken timing belt or because it wasn’t installed properly.Need help!
Thanks!1/28/15
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So it is a broken timing belt. I need to find out how bad my valves are. My plan is to install the belt and do a compression test and go form there. Taking advice!!2/17/15
Final update:
A final update.
It turns out that I got very luck or what. None of my valves are bent. A friend of mien who also had slimier experience with the same type of civic convinced me that my valves are not bent. He said that bent valves usually happens to the DOHC but not to sohc civics. So I put a new belt on and did a dry compression test. The result came out to be close across the cylinders around 140 to 150PSI. That too convinced me that my valves are actually fine. After putting everything back to together, the car starts right up and drives just like before. I am a very happy man for that day! B) I’ve been driving the car for two weeks now.
I think part of the reason is also because my block is a D15B2.
Thanks everyone for the input! 🙂
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A little bit about the car first. It is a 95 Honda civic with 225K miles on it. The car had been sitting for just a month before I changed the oil yesterday. Then I drove it to get some groceries and it all seemed normal. On my way back, the engine just stalled suddenly while it was still running. I tried start it but it wouldn’t, so I had to had it towed home. After I jacked it up, what I saw just puzzled me.
It seems to me the timing belt is inside out and the timing belt drive pulley is out of place too.
I have had the car for over a year and a half. It was my daily driver and it has been driven fine.
I am not sure if it is the result of a broken timing belt or because it wasn’t installed properly.Need help!
Thanks!NATHANSB, one possibility is that the water pump seized. You will need to verify this, but I’m pretty sure it is driven by the timing belt on your car. I’ve seen these bearings seize suddenly and create similar issues. How long has it been since the water pump was changed? Of course if you’re seeing a drive pulley out of place maybe something came loose. The only way to know is to get the cover(s) off and have a look. Hopefully the valves in the cylinder head are okay. Good luck
It does not look like he even has timing belt cover. At least, for the lower portion of it.
Hoping it’s not one of them interference engines, as then you busted your valves and it’s head job now.
Somehow, your timing belt got so loose, it flipped itself the wrong side out on pulleys.
Hey, how is the oil level? As if you lost your oil – happens, done it – and you seized engine because of the oil lack, then sure, it could have put so much strain onto the belt that it basically flipped.
Sounds like a major major overhaul to me. May be more feasible to find another car.It definitely looks like a inside out belt. You are not going to know what happened until you have the covers off. It most likely will require removal of the head and having some valves replaced as well as having the timing belt replaced to run again. I’d guess $1400 to have it professionally repaired. Is the vehicle worth it?
The water pump is driven by the timing belt on this car. I am not certain when the water pump was replaced. However, the car has gotten a new head gasket no long before I got the car. I was assuming that water pump and timing belt was replace also during that time. I guess I will have to open it up do find out what is really going on.
[quote=”ukrkoz” post=126020]It does not look like he even has timing belt cover. At least, for the lower portion of it.
Hoping it’s not one of them interference engines, as then you busted your valves and it’s head job now.
Somehow, your timing belt got so loose, it flipped itself the wrong side out on pulleys.
Hey, how is the oil level? As if you lost your oil – happens, done it – and you seized engine because of the oil lack, then sure, it could have put so much strain onto the belt that it basically flipped.
Sounds like a major major overhaul to me. May be more feasible to find another car.[/quote]I haven’t taken every thing apart yet. The oil level is good since I had just changed the oil an hour before this happened. I had just replaced the transmission on this car. I don’t want to just give up on the car yet. Maybe swap out the engine is another option.
[quote=”barneyb” post=126044]It definitely looks like a inside out belt. You are not going to know what happened until you have the covers off. It most likely will require removal of the head and having some valves replaced as well as having the timing belt replaced to run again. I’d guess $1400 to have it professionally repaired. Is the vehicle worth it?[/quote]
The car is definitely not worth a professional repair. DIY is my best option now. I’m hoping that the values not damage then I’ll just need to replace the timing belt and all those goes along with it. If the values are bent, then I don’t know if is better to just get an engine or to do a head job.
Whichever way it goes, belt is not to be exposed like this. Something happened to the lower TB cover. Looks like you need a warm garage and 2 days off work to take it all apart and scope the damage.
And you pray that it’s not interference engine.Ok. This solve the mystery so far. After I removed the head cover, the timing belt is completely gone. This explains why I’m seeing the inside out belt at the bottom. So it is a timing belt failure. However, the crankshaft is almost at the TDC position already when I open it. If the belt breaks when the crankshaft happens to be at TDC, does it mean that the valves are ok? I am hoping it is!!!!! Let me know your thoughts !!
This should be an interference engine and damage is almost certain. Since you have the valve cover off check some of the intake valve adjusters while making sure the cam lobe is positioned to where the valves are in the closed position.
Wiggle the valve adjusters. If they feel pretty loose that’s generally a sign that the intake valve is bent and due to the valve
So it is a broken timing belt. I need to find out how bad my valves are. My plan is to install the belt and do a compression test and go form there. Taking advice!!
BTW, water pump and tensioner all spins freely. The belt itself doesn’t seem to bad neither. Not sure what cause the snap.
Ok, that’s cool. Now I can see how it wound itself up wrong side out. And busted part of cover.
Sorry, brother.Honda
Except 3.0L & 3.2L Interference
3.0L & 3.2L Non-InterferenceIt’s a head job likely.
Is the car worth the money though?Most likely I will be doing it myself even if it needs a head job. I had put in a rebuild transmission not too long ago. Not ready to give up the car just yet. If fixing it cause too much, I would probably go for an engine swap.
I’d love to tell you different…However, it is highly likely some of the valves are bent/ damaged. It’s probably a coincidence the motor stopped near TDC as you described. That doesn’t necessarily mean the end of the world though. If the car is worth it to you, you can remove the head, take it to a machine shop and have them check the valves. It might be cheaper to find a used head of this make though. Anyways, if you’re willing to tackle it, it can be done. Good luck with it.
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