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Hi guys I had my rear drum brakes replaced about a month ago. All new hardware, shoes, drums.
Now my rear passenger ones are making a clicking noise at very low speeds.
Took the drum off to examine and noticed the front shoe had very minimal play at the tension spring (spring that holds the shoe against the backing plate)
The other shoe didn’t have this play at all. Now my question is, how tightly held in place to the backing plate should the shoes be? Does a little play matter or?
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Little play at this spring clip. Btw that’s not my pic, borrowed from the Internet as my car is back together at the moment.Could I try prying between the two ends of that spring to give it more tension?
It’s definitely that retaining spring. Seems like it’s either not as springy for correct tension or backing plate is rusted leaving it less of a strong surface for the pin to hold on to.
So I used a washer to help give a bit more tension
[IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160629/84395ed925d4194545d1962d0970a74e.jpg[/IMG]Would it be ok to drive around like this?
probably…BUT the only system on the car that shouldn’t be cheaped out on is the braking system! So looking at the picture…time to do the job right and replace the backing plate…IMHO
[quote=”jvg3″ post=169030]probably…BUT the only system on the car that shouldn’t be cheaped out on is the braking system! So looking at the picture…time to do the job right and replace the backing plate…IMHO[/quote]
Yes I just replaced all the hardware and shoes so that’s a bummer I didn’t think the backing plate would cause the issue I had.
To remove the backing plate how involved is it?
For the sake of a clicking noise, I don’t think you’ll want to try removing that rusty old backing plate. It’ll be one of those artery-bursting exercises in frustration.
So the other side started making the same click click click noise at low speeds.
Noticed could move the brake shoes a bit with not much force.
How tight should these shoes be against the backing plate? Is it ok to have a little movement or should they be held on pretty solid?
The shoes need to be able to move so that they can press against the drums. I have done similar shimming with a washer like that. Not the optimal but acceptable. You might be able to get a shorter pin to do the same thing but if the backing plates are thin enough to pull in you might want to think about replacing them all together
As far as how hard to remove and replace the backing plate? What are you working on?
Are you absolutely sure that your “click click click noise” is from the brakes themselves?
That type of sound is most often a symptom of a bad wheel bearing.How to tell the difference:
Jack up the car and spin the wheel by hand.
If you can hear the clicking sound, then remove the wheel, remove the brake drum, reinstall just the wheel, without the drum, tighten the lug nuts and once again spin the wheel.
If you hear the clicking sound still, it is your wheel bearing making the sound.
Don’t forget to reinstall the drum before lowering the car :ohmy:[quote=”Bonnieman” post=174185]Are you absolutely sure that your “click click click noise” is from the brakes themselves?
That type of sound is most often a symptom of a bad wheel bearing.How to tell the difference:
Jack up the car and spin the wheel by hand.
If you can hear the clicking sound, then remove the wheel, remove the brake drum, reinstall just the wheel, without the drum, tighten the lug nuts and once again spin the wheel.
If you hear the clicking sound still, it is your wheel bearing making the sound.
Don’t forget to reinstall the drum before lowering the car :ohmy:[/quote]Can not replicate the noise by just spinning the wheel. The noise is also only heard when the brakes are applied. And if usually if I have the drum off and inspecting (especially if I adjust the brakes) 8/10 times the noise clears up for a couple miles then can be heard again.
It kind of sounds like a spring is loose, that’s best way I can describe it but upon inspecting everything is tight like it should be.
Here are a few pics. Does anyone see anything out of the ordinary?
[IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160830/ff7fe8c5ab5eb8f6eb68054719ad5172.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160830/b3fe7206d62aba76e56426f85f17acf4.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160830/2378ad239a15953c77fc6bd334cfc81d.jpg[/IMG]Since you give no indication of the make, model or year of your car, all I can figure is that it’s some kind of Honda.
It’s difficult to tell from your pictures but it appears that you are missing the horseshoe clip that holds the parking brake lever to the rear brake shoe.
It looks like you just have a washer on it butno clip to ensure that the lever stays in place.Were all the contact points on the backing plate cleaned and then lubricated with anti-seize compound?
Are the brakes adjusted properly?Eric made a video about replacing shoes on an 01 Odyssey and at 18 minutes, he shows how & where to lube
at 29 minutes he starts making the adjustment
https://www.ericthecarguy.com/faq/solving-brake-problems?start=6#ReplacingBrakeShoesIt’s a 98 Honda Civic ex. Yes I’ve cleaned and lubricated the contact points on the backing plate. It didn’t do much of anything.
Also tried adjusting multiple times. Either the clicking goes away for only a couple miles or it’s still there from the get go.
The horseshoe clip is behind the shoe in this car that’s why not visible in the pic
Ok so I found the only difference between the two brakes. Lower return spring hooks are reversed. Would that matter at all? [IMG]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160831/c278a3bce24f6e823ec50b0ce5afe217.jpg[/IMG]
If you didn’t already discard the original Honda clips and pins, I’d put those back on and see if the noise goes away for good.
Sometimes the aftermarket hardware isn’t quite up to par–which clearly seems to be the case as you’ve already noticed the poor spring clip tension.
If you’ve thrown them out already, get a set from Honda; they’re about $8 per side for 2 clips and 2 pins.
As for the lower spring, it shouldn’t make any difference but you have nothing to lose by reinstalling it.[quote=”Bonnieman” post=174340]If you didn’t already discard the original Honda clips and pins, I’d put those back on and see if the noise goes away for good.
Sometimes the aftermarket hardware isn’t quite up to par–which clearly seems to be the case as you’ve already noticed the poor spring clip tension.
If you’ve thrown them out already, get a set from Honda; they’re about $8 per side for 2 clips and 2 pins.
As for the lower spring, it shouldn’t make any difference but you have nothing to lose by reinstalling it.[/quote]I don’t have the old hardware and oddly the same click noise was there with original shoes, drums, hardware.
That’s why I decided to replace everything. I figured they’ve never been done. The noise went away for a month and now it’s back. So I’m pretty stumped.
I even went the extra mile and adjusted the ebrake inside the vehicle per Honda service manual and although it made the ebrake feel better it had no effect on the click noise
Originally you said: [quote=”myfavecoupe_” post=168903]Hi guys I had my rear drum brakes replaced about a month ago. All new hardware, shoes, drums.
Now my rear passenger ones are making a clicking noise at very low speeds.
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That gave me– and probably everyone else –the impression that this problem started with the new rear brakes.Since the noise went away when the brakes were first replaced and freshly adjusted, I would recommend rechecking the adjustment to see if the adjustment is out.
Using the parking brake every time you park should keep the shoes adjusted but, if the mechanism sticks due to lack of lubrication of the star adjuster , they may not be able to maintain it.I hope the service manual advised you to first adjust the brake shoes immediately prior to adjusting the parking brake.
Since the FSMs are written for techs, they may have omitted that detail, assuming you would already know to do that.
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