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This is to all thoughts people who are longing for high MPG…….
Did you know that gas cost 3x as much in italy?
Do you know why?
Did you know that in italy a car that gets 30mpg in Italy is an”Emtreme Low MPG” car?
Why is this?—Well the Average car in Italy recieves 40-50 MPG!
Now i know your thinking “SWEET!, i should buy and ship one to me!” well….Good freikin luck, thoughs cars are ILLEGAL in the U.S.A—-BTW these cars arent hibrids… Trust me i would love to see MPG increase, but Its not going to happen In America, Were run by greed and wont see a 50mpg car for a long time……..Just something to consider—-Sorry for the misspels
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This among many other reasons why things aren’t the way they should be are why I have to drink beer first thing in the morning.
Just did a little research and in Ontario Canada this is how much tax we pay on Gasoline.
As the Toronto Automobile Dealers Association points out in a news release, Natural Resources Canada says the average price of gasoline in Toronto from October 11 to November 1 was $1.229 a litre. Thirty-two per cent of that, or 38.8 cents, went straight to the federal and provincial governments. A third of the price of a litre of gas goes into general tax revenue at the provincial and federal level.
Here’s the breakdown in Ontario:
14.7 per cent provincial Gasoline Tax;
10 cent Federal Excise Tax;
5 per cent federal Goods and Services Tax (GST); and
8 per cent provincial Sales Tax
Here’s something you may not have considered: with the HST being applied on the full price of gasoline, notes TADA, you are being double taxed. That is, you are taxed on the 14.7 per cent Gasoline Tax and the 10 cent Federal Excise Tax.I think that in Europe this gouging is even worse and part of the reason fuel is so expensive there.
The cars in Europe tend to have smaller engines. Their emission standards are different than ours too. Engines there are tuned to get the most out of them. That’s why they get better fuel milage.
Hi all,
Well, as a resident of Germany who just went to the gas station, let me say this much.
Petrol tends to actually be cheaper before taxes as transportation routes from the middle East and Russia are simply shorter. So for slightly more than a quart (1 litre), we pay roughly 65 eurocents. However, in Germany as well as most other European countries, you add a Green Tax on top of that which is roughly 16 eurocent, petrol excise tax, which is around 50 eurocents, and VAT on top of all that, which is roughly 25 cents. There are even a few tiny extra fees you pay like the federal gasoline reserve duty and so forth. So in effect, we pay 1,56 Euro per quart at the pump.
The breakdown is
65 cents for the gas from the station
50 cents for the German excise tax
16 cents for the “Eco” or “Green” Tax
25 cents for the VAT on top of everything
Total is 1,56 € / 1 litre or a tiny bit more than a quart or quite precisely 6 € per US gallon (3,85 litres)However, our cars tend not be more fuel efficient at all. I recently drove a 2011 Nissan Compact from a rental place. It got roughly 23.5 mpg on the interstate, mostly going around 90 to 95 miles per hour. Also, in 2008, I around for a new car for a few months. Test drove more or less every car available with a Diesel or high MPG Petrol engine and an A/T box. The best MPG result I got out of test driving them was a chiptuned SAAB 9,5 Turbodiesel which got about 31,3 mpg (@ roughly 100 mph). Most other cars were in the 20 to 26 mpg range.
In fact, in Italy, as in many other European countries, a lot of petrol engines are refitted with additional LPG or CNG technology due to the fact that both fuels are exempt from all but VAT duties. As a result, 1 litre sells for between 0,60 to 0,75 eurocents.
There are virtuall no hybrids in Europe due to the fact that they are not optimized for high interstate speeds. Therefore, a Diesel or LPG or CNG car will save far more, unless you do live in Frankfurt or Paris or Rome. However, most people in such places prefer public transportation as parking fees tend to be around 10 to 15 Euros per day.
Oh, and for translating Euro into US Dollars,
Today’s exchange rate is 1 Euro = 1.30 US Dollars.
And for the whole MPG thing
the Saab got 7,5 l / 100 km or 31,35 mpg @ 100 mph or 160 kmph
a comparable Audi A4 2.0 Diesel 140 PS got around 10.5 l / 100 km or 22,4 mpg @ 100 mph or 160 kmph
a comparable BMW 520 Diesel got roughly the same as the Audi
a petrol engine Subaru impreza 2.0 140 PS gets around 9.5 to 10.5 l / 100 km or 22,4 to 24,75 mpg @ 100 mph or 160 kmph
a 2003 Lexus IS 300 2JZ 3.0 straight 6 petrol gets around 14 l/100km or 16,8 mpg @ 100 mph or 160 kmphPlease note that Diesel fuel is roughly 80 cents per gallon less than Petrol, therefore the Diesels are quite popular. Also, they tend to have better gas mileage especially at higher speeds and downtown traffic. I OBD tested our IS300, which uses around 2 quarts per hour in gas at idle, whereas the SAAB diesel used roughly two thirds of one quart per hour in Diesel fuel at idle.
Thank You for the info. Maybe i don’t feel so raped after all. In north america most of us don’t drive at the speeds you drive at in Germany. I seldom drive over 120kph as our limits are at 100kph here in Canada (not sure about the US speed limits) so our cars would tend to provide better fuel economy..
From what i know about Italy,and i could be wrong, i don’t think they have roads capable of driving very fast on.
Ohhh…..I would love to drive on the Autobahn just once. LoL
Oy mate, how’s it going in Canada? Isn’t it quite early to be on the forum where you are 😉
Anywho,
The general speed limits in Europe are around 130 kph. The tendency is that, with the exception of Germany, the further North you go, the slower they drive. I believe Austria recently pushed up theirs to 160 kph, I know from personal experience that in France, Italy, and Spain you ought to go 130, but the tendency is to go between around 140 and 160 kph in practice. Fines are steep down there, especially for cars with foreign plates, so I try not to go any faster than 140 but people do tailgate you a lot if you do that.
On the topic of driving on the Autobahn, let me say it’s great fun in low traffic conditions, but extremely tiring and stressful in areas like around here. When I go to work at 9:00 to 9:30 ish in the morning, three lanes are open on the interstate around here. There’s no speed limit so people on the far left (seriously) come flying by at speeds typically between 160 and 250 kph. The right lane is for lorries (heavy trucks) only which are limited to 80kph. And the middle lane tends to go anywhere between the two extremes. A lot of autobahns have only 2 lanes, with one effectively going 160 plus and the other 80 straight. So yea…
Yeah….I fell asleep at my computer last night (while watching Erics latest video) OOOooopps! (MY BAD) LMAO and woke at 6:45 am eastern time. First thing i did was come here.
As for the “Fine Tunning” that gets the foreign car high MPG’s (Im talking Italy)—Why are they illegal in America?
I personnally believe its because of the greedyness of the Economy and feul companys
… thanks for the reasponsesRight now, the European Union entered into talk with the US government to create a free trade agreement that would also attempt to homogenize car regulations.
Also, the EU has very different safety precautions. I would like to direct your attention to the following German video of a crash test of a EU Fiat 500 and an Audi Q7 SUV
If you do not speak German, please just feel free to scroll to 1:10.
Emission standards are now about the same as in the states, even higher in some places.
However, efficient engines are very expensive and very low power. We had a VW lupo 1.0 around for a few years. The car did get around 68 mpg in real life conditions (a class mate of mine back in the day had one), yet the car was not able to sustain an A/C, because the engine was so strictly injector and rev limited that it could not go uphill with a single passenger with an A/C running at speeds above 45 mph.
I believe the Japanese cars available in the states are highly fuel efficient, aren’t they? When I used to live down south my wife used to have a Miata which got very decent 28 mpg or so. Another friend of mine had an Acura RSX with very nice Mpg values.
If you can make sense of the language thing, I recommend reading the following web site:
http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/(they even have an english language version, nice;])
This is a website primarily for German motorists where people can upload their gas receipts and odometer readings for you to compare real life l/100km values.
The Fiat 500, a very tiny and famously efficient Italian car gets 6,51 l / 100 km, which is 36,1 mpg. That’s about as good as you get with a gasoline car 😉
well if you didn’t get the emails i sent you guys then heres the breakdown—
I was specifying America or (Merica), and Italy im sorry if that wasn’t very clear/ but i do appreciate all the feedback on this and it was meant to generate a discussion…
Once again my ONLY point was to point out the Greediness of the American Legislator i do appreciate all the feedback on this (KEEP IT COMING)
Please feel free to give your opinion for us Americans on the best Fuel-Economic vehicles….PS-Prius’s and other small-vehicles aren’t morally exeptable, we tend to like sedans and large trucks-Thanks again.
This is to all thoughts people who are longing for high MPG…….
Did you know that gas cost 3x as much in italy?
Do you know why?
Did you know that in italy a car that gets 30mpg in Italy is an”Emtreme Low MPG” car?
Why is this?—Well the Average car in Italy recieves 40-50 MPG!
Now i know your thinking “SWEET!, i should buy and ship one to me!” well….Good freikin luck, thoughs cars are ILLEGAL in the U.S.A—-BTW these cars arent hibrids… Trust me i would love to see MPG increase, but Its not going to happen In America, Were run by greed and wont see a 50mpg car for a long time……..Just something to consider—-Sorry for the misspels
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