Clutch issues/adjustment

[Chip DeBruyckere]

Hey all,
1991 integra LS 5 speed

Over the summer I replaced clutch, flywheel, pressure plate, throwout and spring with a Luk kit then had to go back to school and had to leave the car at home (current project car) till i just got home for break. I have been trying to fine tune the clutch adjustment and have noticed that 1. the shift fork is very tight but peddle soft. 2. even after adjusting like in erics cable clutch video i cant get the car to shift. 3. if i really wrench up on the cable and screw the nut down far enough i can get the car to shift without clutch but not with it. This was all done while engine was running. Any thoughts?

Also side note, any possibility Luk use a different bolt pattern on pressure plate because I was left with 2 extra bolts and all bolt holes filled on the PP.

Any help is much obliged

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[Mike]

[quote=”chip102″ post=122130]Also side note, any possibility Luk use a different bolt pattern on pressure plate because I was left with 2 extra bolts and all bolt holes filled on the PP[/quote]

This is incredibly suspicious. Not only does that suggest it’s the wrong clutch kit, I’ve never in 10 years of working on cars everyday seen such a thing.

When you say “the shift fork is very tight”, can you explain what you mean there more clearly? The shift forks are inside the transmission, so I just want to be sure of what you’re referring to.

[Lorrin Barth]

If nothing else it is the wrong flywheel. Some flywheels have a step (not flat to the outer edge) and the depth of the step needs to be recut if the flywheel is refurbished or the pressure plate won’t work right. So, if wrong flywheel then that could explain your problem.

[Chip DeBruyckere]

when i bought the clutch i triple and quadruple checked that it was the right one. It even was built like the one i removed minus the bolt pattern.

I guess i used the wrong term. I was referring to the clutch arm that the cable is attached to on the out side of the transmission. When that adjusting nut is all the way screwed up there is a little play like in erics video (same car and transmission) but i cant actuate the arm like in the video.

[Chip DeBruyckere]

this is what I bought

LUK 08-017 CLUTCH KIT
Clutch Flywheel LUK LFW225

they both said they were correct for my car/trans

[Lorrin Barth]

I bought a flywheel for the DSM I used to own. Well, midyear they changed the engine design in minor ways. One way was that they changed the number of bolts in the flywheel. When the order arrived guess which flywheel I got? Anyway, they looked identical to me even though the old one had six holes and the new seven. An hour later I finally figured out why I couldn’t mount the flywheel.

So, anyway, if I understand what you are saying, you ended up with extra flywheel bolts. If you notice in Eric’s videos he sometimes ends up with the wrong parts too.

Another possible problem is you put the disc in backwards. Anyway, just because they say it fits doesn’t necessarily mean it fits.

[Mike]

If you have someone push the clutch pedal while you watch the arm and the cable doesn’t pull it far enough to release the clutch, then it’s very likely outside the transmission. A clutch cable can stretch, but I’ve only replaced them because of stiff movement inside it myself. Parking brake cables are of similar construction and I’ve seen plenty of them stretch.

If it’s outside the trans, there also could be a issue with the cable attachment to the pedal or a problem with the pedal (like a worn/sloppy pivot bushing or something bent).

[Gary]

[quote=”barneyb” post=122149]I bought a flywheel for the DSM I used to own. Well, midyear they changed the engine design in minor ways. One way was that they changed the number of bolts in the flywheel. When the order arrived guess which flywheel I got? Anyway, they looked identical to me even though the old one had six holes and the new seven. An hour later I finally figured out why I couldn’t mount the flywheel.

So, anyway, if I understand what you are saying, you ended up with extra flywheel bolts. If you notice in Eric’s videos he sometimes ends up with the wrong parts too.

Another possible problem is you put the disc in backwards. Anyway, just because they say it fits doesn’t necessarily mean it fits.[/quote] Did you crankwalk? 👿 Whenever I hear DSM+ Manual tranny that is the first thing that comes to my mind sadly.

[Gary]

[quote=”Fopeano” post=122151]If you have someone push the clutch pedal while you watch the arm and the cable doesn’t pull it far enough to release the clutch, then it’s very likely outside the transmission. A clutch cable can stretch, but I’ve only replaced them because of stiff movement inside it myself. Parking brake cables are of similar construction and I’ve seen plenty of them stretch.

If it’s outside the trans, there also could be a issue with the cable attachment to the pedal or a problem with the pedal (like a worn/sloppy pivot bushing or something bent).[/quote] +1 I would personally double check the linkage first before assuming wrong parts…which is still entirely possible.

[Chip DeBruyckere]

It might be linkage, but the old clutch was shifting fine prior to the replacement, minus the ridiculous slipping due to the friction disk being past the rivets.

[Lorrin Barth]

[quote=”Chevyman21″ post=122156][quote=”barneyb” post=122149]I bought a flywheel for the DSM I used to own. Well, midyear they changed the engine design in minor ways. One way was that they changed the number of bolts in the flywheel. When the order arrived guess which flywheel I got? Anyway, they looked identical to me even though the old one had six holes and the new seven. An hour later I finally figured out why I couldn’t mount the flywheel.

So, anyway, if I understand what you are saying, you ended up with extra flywheel bolts. If you notice in Eric’s videos he sometimes ends up with the wrong parts too.

Another possible problem is you put the disc in backwards. Anyway, just because they say it fits doesn’t necessarily mean it fits.[/quote] Did you crankwalk? 👿 Whenever I hear DSM+ Manual tranny that is the first thing that comes to my mind sadly.[/quote]

That’s the one thing it didn’t do. I had the old style engine which didn’t crank walk. They even had automatics crank walk with the mid ’92 and on engine.

[Gary]

[quote=”barneyb” post=122174][quote=”Chevyman21″ post=122156][quote=”barneyb” post=122149]I bought a flywheel for the DSM I used to own. Well, midyear they changed the engine design in minor ways. One way was that they changed the number of bolts in the flywheel. When the order arrived guess which flywheel I got? Anyway, they looked identical to me even though the old one had six holes and the new seven. An hour later I finally figured out why I couldn’t mount the flywheel.

So, anyway, if I understand what you are saying, you ended up with extra flywheel bolts. If you notice in Eric’s videos he sometimes ends up with the wrong parts too.

Another possible problem is you put the disc in backwards. Anyway, just because they say it fits doesn’t necessarily mean it fits.[/quote] Did you crankwalk? 👿 Whenever I hear DSM+ Manual tranny that is the first thing that comes to my mind sadly.[/quote]

That’s the one thing it didn’t do. I had the old style engine which didn’t crank walk. They even had automatics crank walk with the mid ’92 and on engine.[/quote] Ah I see. That’s right the 1st gens didn’t have that problem, it was the second gens if I remember right. Never heard of the autos walking but it doesn’t surprise me.

[Chip DeBruyckere]

Well I am very lost. I checked with Luk and i purchased the correct parts, I have no crankwalk, and remember checking disk direction when i installed it and there was no way to bolt on PP if it as backwards. also the peddle and linkage dont appear to be stretched or anything ….. wow I am lost

[Chip DeBruyckere]

Hey all,
So i finally got it adjusted correctly. Dont know what I did differently this time, but it worked, Guess thats all that matters.

Think I might just cut my losses with this car. It sat way too long and needs everything from brakes and bearings, to cv shafts, to body work, to new interior . Might just be better if I just let her go

[Chip DeBruyckere]

[quote=”barneyb” post=122149]I bought a flywheel for the DSM I used to own. Well, midyear they changed the engine design in minor ways. One way was that they changed the number of bolts in the flywheel. When the order arrived guess which flywheel I got? Anyway, they looked identical to me even though the old one had six holes and the new seven. An hour later I finally figured out why I couldn’t mount the flywheel.

So, anyway, if I understand what you are saying, you ended up with extra flywheel bolts. If you notice in Eric’s videos he sometimes ends up with the wrong parts too.

Another possible problem is you put the disc in backwards. Anyway, just because they say it fits doesn’t necessarily mean it fits.[/quote]

I ended up with 3 (not 2) extra PP to flywheel bolts, not Flywheel to crank bolts. So i looked up the flywheel and PP I bought for my car and according to all the info and pics I found, the luk PP bolts to the FW with 6 bolts and the one I replaced had 9. Oh well, it was a free car and it works now, so I guess i wont get too bent outta shape about it. Just gotta decide weather to go forward with refurbishing it into a DD or to cut my loses

[Lorrin Barth]

To the OP: I’m pleased to hear you got it working. Even if you don’t finish the car you know you did one job right.

“Ah I see. That’s right the 1st gens didn’t have that problem, it was the second gens if I remember right. Never heard of the autos walking but it doesn’t surprise me.”

The 1995 and up car engines were very bad. If it crank walked and Mitsubishi fixed it, it crank walked again. If they replaced the engine with a new one it crank walked again. The only solution was to scrounge up an early engine and install it. There was no love from Mitsubishi. And yet in the end they fixed whatever was wrong with that engine. The car I drive has the same engine and is without issue.

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