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May 19, 2013 at 6:29 am #520389
I just watched a ScottyKillmer video about how some newer BMW engine such as the 335i HAS no oil dipstick so in that case how the hell can you check the oil or even change it when you have no clue how much is left if it needs or how much to fill it when it needs oil.
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May 19, 2013 at 7:44 am #520400
The oil level is checked via the cars onboard computer. you access the service menue to see if it is ok. dumb idea IMO ( having no dipstick ) as for doing an oil change – best advice – take it to the dealer. few times I was asked to ” look ” at one I said NO ! if you can afford to drive a beemer you can afford a beemer tech.
May 19, 2013 at 9:15 am #520420Audi does the same thing. It’s nice. This way the customer is restricted to going to the dealer for oil changes. Before you jump at my throat, I constantly see vehicles damaged by Jiffy Lube and the like. It’s better if unqualified people are unable to service these cars. In the long run, customers end up saving money by having their vehicles serviced by qualified technicians at qualified workshops.
There is an oil level and temperature sensor mounted to the oil pan. It can measure the oil level with a 0.01mm resolution. The customer can access a level display in the MMI screen. It is a feel good display, and does not accurately represent the actual oil level. To obtain the actual oil level, you either need a scan tool to read the raw data from the oil level sensor, or the special oil dipstick tool, which Audi calls the ‘oil level display calibration tool’.
To reset the oil level display on an Audi it’s a whole process, and it’s probably intentionally made complicated to deter the DIY’er. Oil level display can only be reset with oil temp above 90deg C, and the vehicle on a level surface. Acceleration sensors know if the vehicle is tilted and the display won’t set. The hood must be opened with the engine running. Then shut the hood, shut off the engine, turn on ignition, wait two minutes, and the display will set.
The tool T40178 has to be adjusted for various engines.
Attachments:May 19, 2013 at 1:21 pm #520450You want to service a motor without a dipstick read the manual … Most cars without dipsticks.will tell you if you have over filled the motor but the manual should tell you how much and what oil to put in it
May 22, 2013 at 4:59 pm #521415I’ve got some prime Florida swamp land I’d love to sell to these “highly educated” automotive engineers and all the companies, American and foreign. An internal combustion engine operating at several thousand RPM’s a minute over a period of time will require new oil. You’d think 100+ years of history would mean something to them. I have a Pontiac Grand Am that has no transmission fluid “dipstick” which is idiotic as well. Sure GM might consider it a “sealed transmission” that doesn’t require fluid but hell, it’s got 163,000+ miles on it and if it needs fluid – it needs fluid. Not sure on the miles on your car but I’d get the oil changed (or change it) every 5,000 miles or so to be sure (no I don’t adhere to the every 3,000 mile argument, especially for newer vehicles. I think 5,000 is fine.)
May 22, 2013 at 5:25 pm #521424[quote=”FourRings” post=60188]Audi does the same thing. It’s nice. This way the customer is restricted to going to the dealer for oil changes. Before you jump at my throat, I constantly see vehicles damaged by Jiffy Lube and the like. It’s better if unqualified people are unable to service these cars. In the long run, customers end up saving money by having their vehicles serviced by qualified technicians at qualified workshops.
[/quote]It’s just another way to be fucked by the Dealer IMHO. Going to a dealer costs up to 4X the cost of a independant shop and they can use this type of engine as a excuse to charge you $80 for a $10 oil change.
May 22, 2013 at 5:33 pm #521426[quote=”RhinoBlu3″ post=60726]I’ve got some prime Florida swamp land I’d love to sell to these “highly educated” automotive engineers and all the companies, American and foreign. An internal combustion engine operating at several thousand RPM’s a minute over a period of time will require new oil. You’d think 100+ years of history would mean something to them. I have a Pontiac Grand Am that has no transmission fluid “dipstick” which is idiotic as well. Sure GM might consider it a “sealed transmission” that doesn’t require fluid but hell, it’s got 163,000+ miles on it and if it needs fluid – it needs fluid. Not sure on the miles on your car but I’d get the oil changed (or change it) every 5,000 miles or so to be sure (no I don’t adhere to the every 3,000 mile argument, especially for newer vehicles. I think 5,000 is fine.)[/quote]
I should of made it clear that i dont even own a Beemer this was simply a Curiousity question more than anything. It takes me 3 years to even put on 3k miles on my daewoo lol I generally change it after that time because it takes about 3-4yrs for the oil to turn black. Daewoo dont have tranny dipsticks either but do have a fill hole which does no good if you dont know if you even need any. But i have been told that Trannys dont need service even if they have dip sticks. Only Manual Trannys need maintenecne and usually that is because the clutch goes out and hence you lose tranny fluid changing it. Changing Auto transmission fluid as Eric stated can result in a early demise of the Tranny so its best to be left alone.
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