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I am also looking at scopes but had to put off for now because of the $. at the bottom of ETCG site is a spot for friends of ETCG, one of witch is autonerdz.com. they sell the picoscope 2 and 4 channel models the delux 4 channel goes for I think $3,400.00 So far that’s the best price I’VE found for the capability it has. I also like the 8 channel e pro from A T S. at about $ 5,500.00 ( I DON’T REALLY KNOW WITCH IS BETTER BECAUSE I DON’T REALLY KNOW HOW TO USE A SCOPE YET) I think I’m leaning to the pico because of price and the fact that they seem to have the most access to training via forums and the like. NOTE: LAPTOP NOT INCLUDED IN THE PRICE. I hope this helps you, GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY HUNTING! PS after all the reading ‘Ive done I still don’t understand’ why the snap on versus costs over $9,000.00.
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I am also looking at scopes but had to put off for now because of the $. at the bottom of ETCG site is a spot for friends of ETCG, one of witch is autonerdz.com. they sell the picoscope 2 and 4 channel models the delux 4 channel goes for I think $3,400.00 So far that’s the best price I’VE found for the capability it has. I also like the 8 channel e pro from A T S. at about $ 5,500.00 ( I DON’T REALLY KNOW WITCH IS BETTER BECAUSE I DON’T REALLY KNOW HOW TO USE A SCOPE YET) I think I’m leaning to the pico because of price and the fact that they seem to have the most access to training via forums and the like. NOTE: LAPTOP NOT INCLUDED IN THE PRICE. I hope this helps you, GOOD LUCK AND HAPPY HUNTING! PS after all the reading ‘Ive done I still don’t understand’ why the snap on versus costs over $9,000.00.
I had the pleasure of working with a pico scope a bit in my advanced diagnostics class. If you have all the right equipment (laptop, etc) the thing is awesome. But I’ve never bought a car that came close to $3400, so if you are in a position to buy one as a DIY’er, more power to you! Bring it to Ohio, I’ll show you what’s what 🙂
Also, with the Verus, you pay alot for the Snap-on name, but if you watch Duane use it at realfixesrealfast, you would get a feel for what it’s good for. If I had an extra ten grand laying around, that’s probably what I would spend it on as far as tools go.
Thanks for the replies.
I have also been looking at the Pico’s. ADPT has one they are selling that takes a lap top also. Unsure about the system for they want you to get a “weboscope hardware subscription service”. I have not determined if that is the only way it will work or not.
Any how, I guess I will keep dreaming for now!i absolutely could not work without the Modis. it doesn’t have all the fancy extras that the Verus does but i can live with that.
I had a similar post here:
[url=http://www.ericthecarguy.com/forum/topics.aspx?ID=159:3kmv50qj]http://www.ericthecarguy.com/forum/topics.aspx?ID=159I[/url] also repair only my own car and try to help friends but do not charge for that.
For about a year I have One channel oscilloscope called DSO NANO (Google for it and will find).
It does have a screen, so you do not need a laptop to use it. The price – 80$ included shipping.
For about 200 $ you can get similar scope but with 4 channels and higher bandwidth and costs about 200$. Google for DSO Quad.
If it is your hobby, I would not spend too much money on scope.I have the Nano scope for about a year, at the beginning I used it a lot, just to look at waveforms knowing the car is OK, but as I don’t have any electrical problems on my car I dont use as often lately.
I would suggest a regular scope minimum 2 channels low requirements for bandwidth for all, except data signals. for data signals you might need 5MHz oscilloscope(some 25MS/s), for everything else (Sensors, Actuators and Ignition) the nano is fine 1MS/s, and shows good forms up to 200 KHz signals. Current clamp and High voltage (for ignition) is recommended. If you are new to scopes, be careful not to burn your scope by connecting it to ignition vires using standard probes. The DSO Nano can handle up to +/- 400V so it is fine for primary ignition(for my car), but not for scondary.
If you decide to use DSO Nano – the original firmware is Junk, but the unit is open source and you can install other firmware benF is the author of this firmware.
And Digital Scope is Much better then analog, highly recommend only digital scope.Picoscope (only 4000 series picoscope works vs automotive oscilloscope software) is about 1000$ without accessories, but you will need them, if include accessories, the price goes up to 2000$. Lower end picoscopes don’t work with specially designed software for automotive use, they can use standard scope software. I don’t know how much money can you spend for your hobby, but I think that 2000$ is a lot of money just for hobby use tool, better invest in quality hand tools. And the 4000 series ir scope and that is it, it does not have code reader or anything else. Power probe 3 is the next electrical tool I dlike to get.
What I like in picoscope is the information they give for free. You can download trial automotive software that simulates supported scopes un use it to learn how to connect to components, how waveforms should look like. Also lot of case studies in the picoscope homepage.Gatiszvejnieks, thanks for the info. I am still in thoughts about the subject, probably could afford to do parts swapping on my own stuff for the short time.
Both Snap On Vantage and PicoScope are professional tools. It is good investment for professionals, but if you plan use it for 1 or 2 hours per month (and dont make money using it), then it is a bad investment and waste of money.
My dad works with GSF diagnostics so I have experienced and seen these tools in action so there are many different options for working on most vehicles I recommend one of the Bosch personally I would go for the KTS570 the tool these are quite expensive but they are perfect being that you can use them as diagnostic fault readers, erasers and most things that require OBD control also you can use oscilloscope features it is a pc based tool so you would need a laptop this is the way to go.
The pico is awesome.
I’m just going to save up for a verus my self so I’ll get my new scanner and a scope in one.T)
But any scope is better then none.Used scopes can go for a decent price nowadays.. check out ebay for an older vantage being that you don’t work in the field. Also you need to understand scope waveforms which takes time and snap-on does a great job explaining it on the Vantage. The older one is pretty boxy and aren’t usually updated to far into the future but gets the job done. otherwise OTC has a couple 2-channels that look okay.
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