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Car is a 1996 Honda Civic HX L4 – 1.6L 1590cc type D16Y5 – MFI GAS SOHC (USA) with a little over 200,000 miles on it and a 5 speed manual transmission, front wheel drive.
A few days ago, my car started getting harder to get into gear. It seemed like every shift it got just a little worse.
This happened to me about a year ago and it was the clutch master cylinder. I check it and this one was leaking a bit out the front. So I purchase a new clutch master and slave cylinder, replace them without issue, and bleed them thoroughly.
The clutch still doesn’t work, but it feels different than before. It seems as though I’m not engaging the pressure plate at all, and when I press the clutch down, it just feels like I’m building hydraulic pressure.
I examined where the slave piston connects to the clutch release fork, and it is seated properly. One thing I did notice is that the clutch release fork doesn’t seem to have any pressure to it. It isn’t pressing against the slave much at all. I can force it toward the slave and when I press the clutch it just dumps to the floor and stays there, and when I lift it up again and press it again the pressure has returned.
I also removed the slave, and the release fork seemed to have a lot of play in it. I’m not experienced, so I’m not sure if this is normal or not.
Before I replaced the clutch master and slave, it still felt like I was engaging the clutch pressure plate, now it seems like I’m not at all.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Edit: If I try to start the car while it is in gear, it lurches and stalls.
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have you checked the vaulve body and its gasket… that might also be a cuase to… if its clogged you will have pressure issues… I dont know a lot about trans but that sounds like something to look at … also how did the transmisstion fluid look before you started working on it… any shavings in it looking like peper or burn smell… because it could be one of the gears in the cluch disk being bad… that could cause you to have problems with it
I did a honda recently and had a lot of air in the system. I pulled a vaccum with hand pump while bleeding and with a helper took about a hour to get all the air out.
Do you know how loose the release fork should be? It seems to have a lot of play in it. I’m not sure if that is normal or not.
I’m not sure if that is normal or not either.
Here’s how I would diagnose if it’s the clutch hydraulics or the clutch assembly itself, though: Have someone press the clutch pedal while you watch the slave cylinder. If the slave cylinder seems to be working (i.e. extending and pressing the clutch release fork), then unfortunately it’s probably something in the clutch assembly.
NOTE: don’t try to do this with the slave cylinder unbolted from the transmission or you could push the piston all the way out and get fluid everywhere.
If I have it in 1st and try to start the car, it lurches hard and stalls, so I’m pretty confident the clutch is still okay.
No, I don’t mean a problem with the clutch slipping or not engaging – I mean a problem with it not DISengaging. A broken clutch fork, broken pressure plate, or broken clutch disc would cause the clutch to not disengage when you press the pedal. A faulty master/slave cylinder would also the clutch to not disengage when you press the pedal. That’s why it’s important to try to narrow down which one it is.
This was a Honda stuck in gear. Transmission was stuck in 3rd gear I think. Once I open up transmission gears were chewed up.
[quote=”Larson” post=170185]No, I don’t mean a problem with the clutch slipping or not engaging – I mean a problem with it not DISengaging. A broken clutch fork, broken pressure plate, or broken clutch disc would cause the clutch to not disengage when you press the pedal. A faulty master/slave cylinder would also the clutch to not disengage when you press the pedal. That’s why it’s important to try to narrow down which one it is.[/quote]
Okay, I gotcha. I’ll try that test and see what I find.
[quote=”Larson” post=170169]Have someone press the clutch pedal while you watch the slave cylinder. If the slave cylinder seems to be working (i.e. extending and pressing the clutch release fork), then unfortunately it’s probably something in the clutch assembly.[/quote]
I did this, and it did press the fork back, but weekly. The person on the clutch also had the clutch not raise back on them once, but once they lifted it back up it regained pressure.
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