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    mirahamiraha
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      Car was running fine when it was parked Sunday afternoon. Sunday night it wouldn’t crank (turnover).

      When turning key to start, there is nothing, no starter action at all, maybe an occasional click, but not every time.

      Since it was running fine when last driven and the oil level is spot on, I first checked battery with my crappy china multimeter. I got 12.22v on battery.

      Second, I checked starter fuse under dash, good.

      Third, I did solenoid continuity test per Helms manual. Continuity on pull-in but no continuity on hold-in (between S terminal and armature housing).

      Fourth, I checked voltage on black/white (S terminal) on solenoid while turning ignition key and got a 11.88v.

      Fifth, I tried running a wire from battery + to S terminal per Helms and nothing.

      Kind sirs, do any of you know anything else that I can check or do before pulling the starter? Any comments or suggestions are most welcome and much desired. Thanks.

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    • #465252
      wk9kwk9k
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        Do the headlights turn on or the interior lights? Have you tried or been able to jump the car off?

        #465260
        dreamer2355dreamer2355
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          I would start off with the basics and have the battery load tested.

          Also make sure your battery terminals are all nice and clean. Some voltage drop testing would be ideal here.

          Here are some video’s that should help you.

          #465297
          mirahamiraha
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            Thanks, I will check this out.

            #465298
            mirahamiraha
            Participant

              Thanks for the vids. I’ll give the drop tests a shot.

              #465304
              mirahamiraha
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                A Battery Load/Draw Down gave me these results. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

                Battery Positive post to Battery negative post – 12.5v
                Trying to start – 12.1

                Battery negative to motor – 0.0
                Trying to start – -.04

                Battery positive post to starter positive post – 12.5
                Trying to start – 12.2

                Battery positive post to Battery positive post clamp – 0
                Trying to star – 0

                Positive post to cable – 0
                Trying to start – -.01

                Battery negative post to solenoid B&W wire (Mitsuba) – 12.51
                Trying to start – 1.64

                #465305
                mirahamiraha
                Participant

                  Headlights bright; jumping had no effect

                  #465354
                  wk9kwk9k
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                    Did you clean the battery terminals with baking soda/can of coke and brush them clean and tighten them tight. Im still thinking this could be battery related. Possibly wiggle the wires at the terminal a little after cleaning but try taking them off and cleaning them then tighten them back on and try that. I have had this happen to a friends car before and after I cleaned them and tightened it back. wa la it worked. Let us know what happens afterwards. How long have you had that battery in the car?

                    #465362
                    mirahamiraha
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                      Reworked the battery terminals and clamps, brushed the positive lead to starter – no crank

                      #465365
                      wk9kwk9k
                      Participant

                        Try taking the cables off the battery and try jumping it directly throught the cables without it attached to the battery. See if that does anything. If it still doesnt then your battery just may have dead cells in it. After this test I would just go ahead and take the battery out and take it to advance auto/autozone and have them test the battery, then at least you can rule that out.

                        #465382
                        college mancollege man
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                          check for 12v at the starter solenoid.if 12v present
                          then starter solenoid is suspect and should be replaced.
                          if 12v not seen. then trace back from there.

                          #465394
                          John B KobberstadJohn B Kobberstad
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                            [quote=”miraha” post=31663]Car was running fine when it was parked Sunday afternoon. Sunday night it wouldn’t crank (turnover).

                            When turning key to start, there is nothing, no starter action at all, maybe an occasional click, but not every time.

                            Since it was running fine when last driven and the oil level is spot on, I first checked battery with my crappy china multimeter. I got 12.22v on battery.

                            Second, I checked starter fuse under dash, good.

                            Third, I did solenoid continuity test per Helms manual. Continuity on pull-in but no continuity on hold-in (between S terminal and armature housing).

                            Fourth, I checked voltage on black/white (S terminal) on solenoid while turning ignition key and got a 11.88v.

                            Fifth, I tried running a wire from battery + to S terminal per Helms and nothing.

                            Kind sirs, do any of you know anything else that I can check or do before pulling the starter? Any comments or suggestions are most welcome and much desired. Thanks.[/quote]

                            Did you try charging the battery and check the voltage after disconnecting from charger? Should be above 12.6V (which is considered a full charge).

                            #465395
                            mebob2001mebob2001
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                              Well if the pull in windings on the solanoid is clicking once and a while but nothing is happening then chances are the contact’s inside have just warn out, it happens with alot of starters, alot of places that revuild starters love thes job’s, quick clean up new brushes, contacts good to go, but when you do drop the starter make sure that the contacts between the starter and engine block are CLEAN mabey try checking resstance from starter to engine block there should be basicly zero, if there is resistance there it could be the problem, never kno, ive seen weird ass things working in teh trade, but it is sounds liek a starter working for a dealersship what you checked i would have put a new starter all ready under warrenty or priced one for the cstomer.

                              #465398
                              John B KobberstadJohn B Kobberstad
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                                A bad or loose ground connection with the starter will do that.

                                #465405
                                mirahamiraha
                                Participant

                                  I have cleaned and reworked all connections. There is no drop in voltage between battery + and starter +. All connects are tight. However, I did not check the solenoid right. I checked battery + to solenoid B&W, should have been from battery –

                                  battery – to solenoid B&W

                                  at rest – 0
                                  starting – 11.44

                                  battery – to + 12.55

                                  I tried jumping it with ram 1500 new battery, no change.
                                  Did not try jumping by-passing car battery.
                                  Am I right that the solenoid only showing 11.44 is a problem?

                                  #465406
                                  mirahamiraha
                                  Participant

                                    How do I check resistance from starter to engine block? Thanks.

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