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2011 Fusion 2.5l P0420

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  • #886210
    Doug BeardDoug Beard
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      Hi all,

      My parents’ Fusion has thrown a PO420. There’s a lot of background on this, I’ll try to be as concise as possible.

      They bought the car used about three years ago with 90k miles on the clock. It’s at 125k now. Carfax reports one previous owner, and a pretty good service record at the same dealership that sold it. No accidents reported. I went over it when they bought it, it is a solid used car. The only funny thing was that four days after they bought it, it threw an upstream O2 code. We took it back to the used dealer. They said someone had left that sensor unplugged. ? They said they fixed it. I kept a close eye on the OBDII and it never threw another code until now.

      Car threw P0420 about a week ago. I went in and looked at the only O2 sensor voltage reading I could, which is the downstream. I have a bidirectional Actron scan tool that I can graph the sensor with in real time. There is no PID listed for the upstream sensor voltage, which is odd. I can only view the amperage graph, which tells me nothing. I cleared the code to see if it would come back. It has not as of now.

      Fuel trims look normal. LTFT is -1.3 and short term hangs out around that value too.

      The data from the downstream sensor suggests a bad cat. At temperature and holding around 2500 RPM, it switches rapidly between .2 and .8 volts, sometimes hanging out at about .7 for a few seconds. Sometimes hunting all around that range, and then it goes back to switching

      Fuel economy has dropped about 5 or 6 mpgs on average since the code first appeared. I think it is plugged or has melted down. There is no rattle of broken substrate that I can detect.

      I noticed the coolant in the puke tank was a little low. I topped it off and I’m monitoring that. I don’t think it’s burning coolant, at least, not enough to visibly contaminate the oil or smoke up the exhaust. I get a faint whiff of coolant by the outlet of the radiator. Probably a little leak there.

      Before they spend $400.00 on an OEM converter for me to install, how should I go about ensuring the new one doesn’t also fail? I can’t see any obvious signs that the car is running on a bad AFR. There are no idle or driveability issues, no obvious vacuum or exhaust leaks, and no other pending codes. I’m stumped. I assume the upstream sensor is OK, because it would be throwing a code if it wasn’t.

      The best I can figure, the previous owner drove a long time on a bad upstream sensor and didn’t fix it. The used dealer fixed it and forgot to plug the new one in, but the cat was already compromised. It is now below threshold.

      Is this a safe assumption? Should I run any more tests? I will be doing the infrared thermometer test tomorrow. I’ll update what I found when that is done.

      Thanks! I’m trying to save my folks some money and headache.

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    • #886211
      Billy AndrewsBilly
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        Nothing in your post suggests problems that would damage a cat prematurely, and 125K is not unreasonable for cat life. The thermometer test is the correct next step.
        I mean, a bad upper O2 could, and so could any number of problems in the car’s first life. Maybe the used dealer replaced the sensor and didn’t fully seat the connector so it worked loose after a week. All speculation, all water under the bridge.

        #886212
        Doug BeardDoug Beard
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          Thanks. I just wanted someone else’s input to make sure I’m not overlooking something. That’s pretty much what I concluded, but my family and I have collectively put millions of miles on vehicles of all different makes and I’ve never come across this once. All our vehicles live lives into the 200,000 mile range and beyond. I guess we’ve just been fortunate. I’ve logged enough hours fixing thier Fords to know I don’t want one myself, ever.

          #886213
          Billy AndrewsBilly
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            I’m with you on the Fords.

            #886247
            Doug BeardDoug Beard
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              OK, so I just finished the infrared thermometer check on the Fusion.

              Coolant temp at 180°F, fuel system in closed loop, and engine turning at about 2,700 RPM.

              Inlet side reads 580° – 590°F outlet reads 620° – 640°

              I’m condemning this cat as not working. At that kind of inlet temperature, I should be seeing at least 690° – 700° at the outlet. Right?

              Fuel economy is dropping by the day now, and I’m getting more and more sulfur odor from the exhaust. I’ll be installing a new cat sometime next week.

              #886248
              Billy AndrewsBilly
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                In a late model car, that small temperature differential is not a definite bad cat, though it does tend that way. However, the sulfur smell is a strong correlating observation. I’d go for it.

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