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    MikeMike
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      I recently received a letter from Honda because I own a 2010 Accord LX 4 door, 4 cylinder. It states that there may be a problem with the piston rings sticking that causes excessive oil usage. The fix is to replace the pistons and/or piston rings.

      I have noticed excessive oil usage but I realized that I haven’t changed the PCV valve in a while and it needs to be replaced. I want to replace it, change the oil, then monitor the oil level at 1,000 mile intervals. Which is what I have heard Honda does to diagnose the problem. Side note: the dealer service people won’t answer my questions on how to diagnose the problem. They wouldn’t even tell me what the cost would be if I paid them to do it. They seem to have been told not to talk to customers about this issue.

      But I am having a problem finding the correct PCV valve. Parts store prices range from $12.99 to $51.99. And Amazon shows 2 different PCV valves that are supposed to fit my car/engine. One is black plastic and has the part number V384 (this looks like the V-6 part). The other is metal and is part number V379 (looks like the one I need).

      Does anyone have a source for this part, and the correct part number?

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      EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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        Honestly I don’t think the PCV valve is going to do any good. In addition, Honda PCV valves hardly ever have issue. To diagnose a piston ring issue, you can do a compression test. Although that won’t tell you if the oil control rings are sticking.

        That said, if they’re going to cover it under warranty, why even mess with it? Have the dealer change the rings and go from there.

        More info on this here.

        http://www.ericthecarguy.com/faq/finding-and-fixing-leaks

        Good luck and please keep us posted on your progress.

        #846006
        MikeMike
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          The problem is that the warranty was extended to 125,000 miles but my car had 150,000+ miles at the time I received the letter. I called Honda twice, got the case escalated to a third person who echoed the others in telling me they would not help me. So I am kinda on my own. I am just trying to get the car to as good a place as possible so I can determine for myself if it is using an excessive amount of oil. I also own a 2004 Accord with the 2.4 in it that does not use any oil between oil changes and it has 176,000 miles on it. New 2004 vs. new 2010 would result in the 2004 being declared a superior vehicle in nearly every way in spite of the updates to the model. It isn’t a mileage issue when you can compare the 2004 and 2010. I have always used full synthetic oil in both cars since they came from the factory with synthetic blend oil. I found it easier to just go with full synthetic since there are more choices that way.

          I have owned Hondas for the past 17 years, and only Hondas for about the last 12 but I plan to sell the ones I have and never buy another.

          #846100
          zerozero
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            Nobody will willingly volunteer to do piston rings under warranty, not only is it horrible but Honda pays insultingly for the work. Before they could even be done under recall you would have to have an oil consumption test performed and honestly the threshold for failing that is higher than you would think. It would have to consume more than 1 liter every 1000kms (not sure of the conversions) to be consuming excessive oil.

            But why is it happening? In 2008 Honda went to a zero tension piston ring on several engines. Combine that with extended maintenance intervals and what happens is your oil becomes full of contaminants over time, those contaminants will deposit onto engine components easier that oil components. The results multiply as the oil gets dirtier and can no longer hold the contaminants. So these deposits, usually carbon from blow-by, start to deposit onto things like the oil rings on your pistons and jam them up so they no long clean the cylinder walls properly. Blow-by increases, oil gets more contaminated, rings get worse.

            Honda is tryign to emulate GM by making crap and is a prime example of what happens when people want a bunch of toys in their cars but don’t want to pay more. The value has to come from somewhere and it’s usually the quality control and engineering.

            #846111
            MikeMike
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              So it is the age old lesson that you get what you pay for. Personally I would rather do without the so called improvements like TPMS. I would love to get rid of that. The cost cutting does show in the little things like chrome vs. cheap matte plastic in the interior. I bought my cars in August during the model year closeout and paid $17,400 for the 2004, and $18,350 for the 2010. I think that tells most of the story.

              Unfortunately for me I drive about 30,000 miles per year and need a reliable appliance of a car. And I need one soon so I have to figure out what will work now.

              #846140
              EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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                There really is only one way to determine if oil control rings are stuck and that’s to remove the pistons. As for oil consumption, as stated in the article I linked for you, a quart every 1000 miles is considered excessive.

                Since you’re on your own, I’d weigh my options carefully. Honestly, if you do have an issue with the engine I’d opt for a replacement over trying to repair the one you have. I believe you’d have a much higher chance of success in that instance.

                Please continue to keep us updated.

                #846185
                MikeMike
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                  Found a used 09, and 2010 – both are $700. But there will be the risk of them having the same problem.

                  #846894
                  JoeJoe
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                    I have a 2009 Accord and am currently doing an oil consumption test at the dealer.

                    First 1200 miles, burned – 1.1qts
                    Second 1000 miles, burned 0.5qts

                    I’m sure it burns more on the highway, so we’re trying to drive as many highway miles as possible for the 3rd 1000 miles.

                    The service writer sounds like he doesn’t expect Honda to do anything about it, despite the expanded recall letter. He says we need at least 1qt/1000miles in order to qualify for a warranty piston re-ring. He also says the decision is out of his hands though.

                    Any advice for navigating the process?

                    Thanks-
                    Joe

                    #846911
                    MikeMike
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                      Eric would have a lot more valuable input here. I think it depends on the dealer. If you are a repeat customer I would talk to the service manager and remind him of that. You may also want to ask some questions about the work that Honda has authorized in the past for this problem. There may also be a scenario where Honda pays for some work and you pay for some extra stuff like pistons, and rods. That may allow the service department to make some extra money in addition to what Honda pays for recall work. Which isn’t very much according to Eric. But I wouldn’t offer anything unless I thought Honda would be doing something. Just some suggestions to be taken with a grain of salt.

                      #846914
                      Andrew HarrisAndrew Harris
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                        Unfortunately it is not the dealers decision. The dealer must submit for reimbursement from Honda on every recall or warranty claim it performs. So if Honda says they wont pay then the dealer is not going to eat the cost of re-ringing an engine. So your options are either live with it or sell it and get something else. As far as TPMS that is mandated by the federal government to be implemented on all models years August 31, 2007. Electronic stability control is mandated for all Model years after 2012. Airbags,Third brake lights, backup cameras, Not saying all these systems are bad but when you go price shopping a new vehicle and you see 90,000 dollars for an SUV or 50 to 60 thousand dollars for a Car. geez. Some things we don’t need in cars. Internet, Xenon headlights(wait till you have to pay to have that fixed), Heated steering wheels, heated windshield washer fluid, light wipers. I’m sure you all can think of more ridiculous things. These things are always expensive to fix and then again the price of vehicles these days. I will stop ranting now.

                        #850221
                        JoeJoe
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                          This story took a turn I wasn’t expecting. The car was in an accident before the oil consumption test was finished. Coolant leaked, block cracked. I have bigger problems now. I started a new thread if anyone has any advice for me.

                          http://www.ericthecarguy.com/kunena/8-Service-and-Repair-Questions-Answered-Here/62143-2009-accord-need-a-new-engine-used-or-reman#157728

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