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    Bryan HallBryan
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      Down the rabbit hole I went! Blew my entire weekend on this thing, and got bupkus to show for it.

      It started when my co-worker brought his badly misfiring Jetta to me on Friday night.
      Firestone was going to charge him 2300 dollars to replace plugs and wires and coil pack… to which I promptly called BS.

      Here are the codes it was displaying:

      P0300 – Random misfire detected
      P0302 – Misfire cylinder 2
      P0303 – Misfire cylinder 3
      P2181 Cooling System Performance

      Here are the actions I’ve taken to try and address the issue:

      1) Plugs and Plug wires. The spark plugs had been in there for 145,000 miles and showed it. The electrode had been burned away to the point where it gapped out at .092 when proper gapping on this one was .043 This sucked, as the air intake manifold had to come off to get at the buggers.

      2) Crankshaft position sensor. Since plugs and plug wires didn’t do it, the next indicated culprit was the crankshaft position sensor. Replaced that, too. This sucked, as it required moving of the air pump, removal of one or two coolant lines, and then removal of the oil filter as the sensor was stuck behind and a little to the right of said filter and I needed the real estate.

      3) When 1 and 2 didn’t fix the issue, the next was the coil pack. Replaced that.. this was relatively easy, as only the air pump had to move.

      Cleared the codes and tried to start… crank, no start. The CEL popped on and gave a NEW code: P0865. This confused me, as I didn’t see how the Transmission Control Module could have anything to do with the previous codes or parts.

      When this failed to get things rolling, I started back-tracking. I verified all my connections, both coolant and electrical. Found a breach in the air pump’s line, and patched that up. Cleared the codes again, and no joy.

      I know there’s spark, as plug #1 knocked me on my ass when I was checking it. Hand was numb for five minutes afterwards.

      I know there’s gas, as you can smell it. My garage reeks of it now.

      Spraying some starter fluid into the airbox yields no results… not even a burp or a backfire. Nada. Just cranks and cranks.

      Now I went in after the fuses and relays. All the fuses relating to the ECU are good. The relays are good (I think), as the fuel pump activates and does its thing.

      After all this, I’m out of ideas. I’m sure I tinkered around with it a bit and did more than this, but I just can’t recall it right now. I’m starting to suspect that the car somehow slipped time… if the plugs were never changed, odds are the timing belt wasn’t either. The interval on that belt is 50,000-60,000… so it’s over 2x overdue! If it’s not the timing, then I’m really suspecting the ECU might’ve been cooked.

      Is it at all possible that the immobilization security system went nuts and is shutting down the fuel injectors or something? I had something similar to that happen on an Oldsmobile Alero a while back..

      Any ideas/suggestions for a shade-tree mechanic that’s starting to doubt his creds to even turn a wrench anymore?

      Disillusioned,

      Hinoki

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      A toyotakarlIts me
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        It sounds possible that there is a mechanical problem with the engine. Is the timing belt still intact (can you see the valves moving?)…. It also may be possible there is a compression issue on 2 or 3…. May want to run a quick compression test.

        Another thing I am wondering about is that P2181… It shouldn’t cause a starting issue, but it may have been sending bad temperature information to the ECU. Did you happen to check with a scanner to see if the Coolant temperature sensor was working within parameters when the car was still running?

        I wouldn’t be too worried about that transmission code yet… wait until the engine/car is running… I have got ghost codes before….

        Karl

        #535296
        Bryan HallBryan
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          Evening, Toyota! Thanks for the quick response!

          I did peel back the timing cover to look at the belt itself. It’s intact as far as I can tell. There’s some visible wear on the teeth, but I didn’t see anything totally out of whack… no visible major separation. The edges looked a bit frayed, but not as dodgey as some I’ve seen. That’s why I’m uncertain if it jumped time or not. If it had, wouldn’t the belt be already visibly tattered and shredded?

          My little Innova 3000 scanner didn’t pick up much on the freeze-frame, but what it did see with regards to coolant temp looked within norm. Then again, the car was misfiring incredibly badly when the owner limped it to my house. Seriously awful sounding.

          With regards to the compresson test… I can do that on Cylinders 1 and 4 because the intake manifold can remain on. 2 and 3 are obscured, and can you really do a compression test with the air intake off? I don’t see why not, but this thing is already making my hair more grey than it ought to be at 42.

          If I can, I’ll grab the compression tester from an auto parts store… My old one broke and never needed to replace it. At least there’s no oil and coolant mixing (though he IS burning a prodigious amount of oil, and I never DID find that coolant leak he complained about..)

          Honestly, I think the co-worker is going to come get his car and have it towed. Hopefully not before reimbursing me for the parts I put on it for him. Yeah, I know.. but I wanted to help him out. :/

          -Hinoki

          #535298
          A toyotakarlIts me
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            Missing coolant problem????? Hmmmm I wonder if bad headgasket…. Maybe not enough to hydrolock a cylinder, but enough to make it run bad, also maybe related to the P2181 code…

            I would venture a guess there is a headgasket leak between or around 2 and 3 and it is getting into the cylinder… You could do a coolant pressure test to check for this, or a compression test with a follow on leak-down test to pinpoint the fault…

            Just my 2 cents…

            Karl

            #535301
            Bryan HallBryan
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              That could be….

              I apologize for not putting more info out there, but as I might’ve said, I’ve spent all weekend (and gotten very little sleep) as I worked on this.

              Plugs 1 and 4? Crusty white stuff and the eroded electrode.
              Plugs 2 and 3? Dark and wet, no white stuff to be found. THOUGHT it was just oil, but now..? Now, I’m wondering.

              Heck, I just licked the spark plug to see if it tasted sweet. Yeah, I’m THAT tired…

              -hinoki

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