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2003 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7

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    Bruce WorkmanBruce Workman
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      I actually don’t think there is any hope of fixing my vehicle. No codes come up.
      I have changed the following parts:
      New exhaust system
      Fuel pump x2 Reading is 52
      Brakes Good now
      Calipers Good now
      Rotors Good now
      PCM x2
      8 spark plugs
      8 coil packs
      Camshaft sensor
      Crankshaft sensor x2
      TP sensor
      Oxygen Sensor
      Air Charge Temp Sensor
      New Battery
      Fuses changed
      Relays changed
      Ignition starter switch
      Ignition lock cylinder
      Electrical wiring all checked good
      Cleaned Throttle Body
      There are other sensors also, but just can’t think of them.
      My truck is a Dodge Ram 1500 SLT 4.7 QC. It will not start unless I put my hand over the throttle body. When it starts and I can hit the gas it will not stay running, no matter what I do under the hood or inside.
      It completely dies and sometimes it will start back up and then it may take 15 tries to start it or it won’t start until a hand is placed over the TB.
      Anyone know what is wrong with it? No air leaks anywhere and purrs like a kitten when it runs. Does not miss or anything, sounds like a new one. No codes.
      I have had Dodge garage with 6-8 mechanics and they called in Dodge Manufacture guys, electricians and I have had friends and personal mechanics to also look at it. They have no idea what is wrong. If I run the truck on the road it will quit on me. Dodge garage said that the PCM was bad, so I replaced it a second time. Said the PCM was responding sometimes and sometimes it wasn’t
      Good luck in helping me figure this out.
      Who can figure this one out.

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      Bruce WorkmanBruce Workman
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        [quote=”EricTheCarGuy” post=36256]A couple of things come to mind reading through this thread. The first is that if you hold your hand over the throttle body it will start each time. This says to me that perhaps the IAC is not in the correct position allowing too much air into the engine while you crank, when you choke off the air it starts. Also the fact that it runs fine when it does run would indicate that the IAC IS working which would mean you probably have a control unit issue. Since the computer has been replaced twice and the wiring apparently has been verified there is one more clue to this that has me thinking. I’m a little confused at how the engine will crank and suddenly stop. If you put this together with what’s happening when you put your hand over the throttle body and it does start I’m left wondering if you have an ignition switch problem. If the ignition switch doesn’t send a signal to the computer to set the IAC the IAC will not set. Also if the ignition switch does not send a signal to the starter or that signal is interrupted then the starter will stop cranking midway. If it were me I’d be verifying the operation of the ignition switch to see if it’s sending out the signals it should.

        Keep us posted.[/quote]

        Thank you, Eric.
        I will keep you posted. I do have something new to say. Pete put two new TP sensors on and the last one he looked down and saw the little gasket which must have fell off while he was putting it on. He took the TP sensor plug off and the whole thing fell apart. I have a video that I am going to put on youtube if i can get a chance to do so. That way you can listen and see what the truck is doing. I took the video with my daughter in-laws camera and she has been ill for a couple days in bed and I am not familiar with posting videos yet.
        I will get them posted and try what you said. I just hope there is a solution to fixing it. He wanted me to tell you all he appreciates everyone’s help and he has to put the TP sensor on for the third time. We also have changed that ignition switch twice. These parts that were changed 2 or more times were just a precaution making sure we got a good part. I will keep you informed though. I love your video’s. 🙂
        Thanks again
        Rebecca-Pete

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        EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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          I would think that ‘o’ ring or gasket would be important, if it’s not there it could cause a vacuum leak which could contribute to your problem. Keep us posted.

          #569937
          Bruce WorkmanBruce Workman
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            I let the truck set and my son wanted it. I gave it to him and he traded it off. The person has never got it fixed yet. We told him everything but he wanted it and said he could fix it and he really burnt my son but I Wish him all the luck in the world. It is still setting in his yard.
            We have had some bad fortune in our family last year. My mom and best friend passed away, so I have been lost for awhile. Sorry about not getting back to you all sooner.
            Good news is I gained my first grandchild in June. He is awesome.
            Thanks.

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            george gonzalezgeorge gonzalez
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              Mkay, you have a toughie. The vehicle may have mor ethan one problem, and given all the parts and the number of mechanics that have prodded it, it likely now has at least one more problem than it started out with. This is going to be tough.

              But first things first.

              If it truly does not crank, i.e. go whir-whir-whir, some of the time, you should work on that first. Because, two, or three reasons:

              (1) The starter circuit is VERY simple on most vehicles. A switch, a relay, a wire, and a starter solenoid/heavy duty relay, and a motor. This system can be debugged step by step, with a voltmeter. First you put the voltmeter on the wire from the ignition switch to the first relay. That wire has to go hot each and every time you turn the switch. If it doesn’t, the switch is intermittent and needs cleaning or contact bending or preferably, replacement. Do not replace anything else downstream from here, it won’t help.

              (2) Same thing with the next item, the sometimes present small starter relay. If it gets juice from the ignition switch, it had better be putting out juice to the starter solenoid, every time. If not, it needs attention. Do not replace anything else downstream from here, it won’t help.

              (3) Then you have to check for juice getting to the starter. There should always be 12 volts on the big thick wire from the battery, and juice on the thin wire when you turn the ignition switch to start. Do not replace anything else downstream from here, it won’t help.

              (4) Once you have, every time, juice on the thick and the thin wires on the starter, it had better whirr. If not, you need to unstick the starter solenoid or replace it. Do not replace anything else downstream from here, except maybe the whole starter, if the solenoid isn’t separately available, that won’t help.

              Okay now that we have reliable starter whirring, we can go on to the next possible problem, the fuel pump and ignition juice. The ignition switch has to reliably supply juice for these. Again with the voltmeter, check that when the switch is moved to ON, the switch reliabily turns on juice full time to the fuel pump relay and the ignition module. Nothing is ever going to work if this isn’t reliable. Work on this until you’re happy with it reliably powering up.

              Now for the starting problem. Having to put your hand over the intake means you’re getting too much air, or too little gas. So it’s a problem in the fuel or air systems. Either you have an air leak, or the injectors are not putting out the somewhat enriched amount needed to start things up. An air leak you can find, with the engine running, by using Eric’s methods. Either spray water or brake cleaner all over the place. Don’t change anything else until you’re sure there are no air leaks.

              If there are no air leaks, you have to delve in to the more mushier area of fuel mixture. If 6 to 8 guys have poked at it, you now may have more problems, like the wrong ECU, or wrong program in the ECU, or bad MAF or bad idle valve, or bad sensors. I would start over with a methodical step by step checking of things like the MAF tests, air temp sensor test, coolant temp sensor test. Do not replace anything else downstream from here, it won’t help. Use an ohmmeter to check out those parts. Take it slow and easy and methodically. A whole lot of mechanics have some Inca blood, they are prone to throw virgin parts at an engine and they never realize that’s not a very efficient way of making the crops grow. Slow and easy and methodical wins the race. End of lecture.

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