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    Wallace BrakeWallace Brake
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      I am stumped on an issue with my 2002 1.7L civic and I am hoping someone has some suggestions. I recently had a coolant leak and replaced the head gasket after getting the head machined. I also replaced the timing belt and water pump while I was at it and replaced the exhaust manifold. Everything is working fine and I am not throwing any codes since the repair job but the car vibrates at idle and if I hold the gas pedal to maintain 40 miles per hour (while driving) I notice an rpm hunt of about 100 rpm. So far I have cleaned the idle control valve, tested for vacuum leaks and replaced the O2 sensor and spark plugs. Still no change. I have double checked the valve lash but the timing is perfect and the adjustment is good. Any suggestions on where to go next would be appreciated.

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      college mancollege man
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        #876473
        Wallace BrakeWallace Brake
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          Thanks, I thought of that but it runs too perfectly at high speeds and runs “smooth” at idle even though there is a vibration (it’s not rough like a misfire). I suspect it is something I disturbed while doing the head gasket/timing and exh manifold but I can’t seem to isolate it. I have over 330,000 on it now so I suspect I will live with the speed hunt until it gets worse and throws me a code! I replaced the exhaust manifold with an aftermarket part but I don’t know if that could be the culprit (the cat looked smaller than the original)…

          #876475
          Billy AndrewsBilly
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            How did you check for vacuum leaks? Did you use a smoke machine or just spray?

            #876491
            Wallace BrakeWallace Brake
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              I used propane. Flex hose attached to a typical torch nozzle and introduced it around all my hoses – no change in idle.

              #876493
              Billy AndrewsBilly
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                Sometimes a smoke test will show leaks that the rev test doesn’t.

                #876551
                Wallace BrakeWallace Brake
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                  Thanks, I really believed the problem was a vacuum leak and was dismayed when the propane test turned up nothing. I will try the smoke test to see if I can find a leak. All the symptoms sure point in that direction.

                  #876839
                  Shan DiasShan Dias
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                    I have the same issue 60kmh cursing RPM fluctuate 100 RPM. Only 60 KMH. I notice this just after I replace the Tranny on this.

                    #876908
                    Wallace BrakeWallace Brake
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                      Very frustrating. I have done a smoke test and can’t find any vacuum leaks. I am considering changing the fuel injectors but hate the idea of spending $300 and still have the same problem. I still think it is something small that I am overlooking. Life would be simple if it would just throw a code.

                      #876911
                      Billy AndrewsBilly
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                        Ideas:
                        Dirty MAF
                        Slightly dirty injectors – run an injector cleaning kit through them
                        Weak spark – distributor or coil on plugs? Check for misfires under threshold to throw a code

                        #876947
                        RichRich
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                          What do your long and short term fuel trims look like at idle and under load?

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                          Wallace BrakeWallace Brake
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                            Did you do any work on the engine when you replaced the tranny?

                            #877164
                            Wallace BrakeWallace Brake
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                              Well, I removed my MAP sensor to test it and when I tested the connection to the sensor I found that I only have 6V instead of 12 when testing my center ground connector (negative to center pin, red to positive terminal on battery) with car in on position. This leads me to believe I have a ground issue in my wiring harness which sucks because I hate chasing grounds! Chances are I disturbed something in the wiring harness when I removed the head to change the head gasket.

                              #877491
                              Wallace BrakeWallace Brake
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                                PROBLEM SOLVED:
                                After finding the bad ground on my MAP sensor connector I chased the wiring harness and found nothing wrong. Checked the ECU and all connections, still nothing. Then while staring at the engine and contemplating I noticed that a wire, which as far as I know is run out to the engine compartment for an accessory that is not on my car, had become jammed between my side engine mount and the chassis (the wire must have fell down while I was doing the timing belt) and I didn’t notice it there when I put the mount back on. This wire was obviously carrying a voltage since it played havoc on my emissions control system. Once I removed the mount and wrapped the end of the wire the problem was solved. Thanks to everyone who reponded.

                                #877498
                                Billy AndrewsBilly
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                                  Nice work! Thanks for posting the resolution.

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