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February 24, 2014 at 5:57 am #576738
So I’ve been tasked with helping out my sister in law with her 2002 Monte Carlo and I’ve got most of her issues figured out except for this one.
Issue is somewhat intermittent where the ABS/Traction control lights are on and that system won’t function. I’ve checked fluid levels and those were ok.
I had the ABS codes read and it was C1218 – Pump motor circuit short to voltage or motor ground open
I pulled the airbox and made sure the ground that was underneath it was good, the wire was intact and I roughed it up a bit with a wire brush and put some electrolytic grease on it.The ABS/Traction control lights then were off for the next few starts but came back on later that evening. :angry:
Any ideas on where to go from here? My google-fu thus far hasn’t given me other ideas with this code.
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February 24, 2014 at 2:18 pm #576819February 24, 2014 at 5:58 pm #576883
Ok that ground it talks about should be the one I already inspected. I guess the next step will be to break out the DMM and check the ground and battery voltage wires in the multi-pin connector.
The EBCM is the part that attaches the the ABS pump (the thing with brake lines coming off of it), usually held in with 4-6 20 torx screws and has the multi-pin connector on it right?
If I was to get one of those from a junk yard for the replacement would I need to follow a relearn procedure for it to work properly or would it just bolt on and be good to go (assuming the junk yard part isn’t faulty).
February 26, 2014 at 12:54 am #577124At first I was thinking it could possibly be the motor but after reading that article looks like it could be the ECBM. Be sure to check for power and ground as suggested. According to what I read you’ll also need a scan tool to set it up when you’re done so be sure to include doing that in your repair. You may have to take it to a dealer to have that part done. Not all scanners will communicate with that module.
Keep us posted.
February 26, 2014 at 2:27 am #577181Thanks Eric. I only have a basic ODB2 scanner capable of reading global codes. The local auto parts place has one capable of reading ABS codes so it might need to make a trip to them or the dealer.
Was my description of what I think the EBCM is accurate?
If the EBCM needs to be programmed with a scanner or learned would the car still function? I assume it would and just ABS wouldn’t (but hey it doesn’t work currently anyhow) and if push came to shove I suppose I could pull the ABS fuse. It’s not like some of the BCMs or ECUs which sometimes cause all sorts of idle and drivability issues when replaced and not programmed/learned. Right?If what I think is the EBCM is accurate I’ll be pulling a replacement from an impala/monte carlo of similar vintage from a local junk yard after I check the power and ground. Who knows maybe I’ll get lucky and it’ll just be a bad ground lol
February 26, 2014 at 3:43 am #577224Hey,
Our ’04 Impala had a similar issue with the ABS/traction control turning off at random intervals. For us it ended up being a bad hub assembly. Never had driving issues or any other problem, and there was no play in the hub nor grease leaking. But in the end upon removing it, all the rings just fell out…I guess that was lucky nothing worse happened.
Hope you figure yours out.
February 26, 2014 at 5:17 am #577240When checking power and ground. don’t use a led test light or multimeter, Use jumping wire you can make yourself and an old headlamp beam. You will create a decent load that will be a pass/fail. If you do it that way you will be sure of your call as testing with open circuitry is a total way to misdiagnose. a LED tester will give you a false reading as it use minimum current. If you wire hold on only 1 string, both of the tool I tell you to avoid using could and will light up or give you 12v.
Follow those instruction as its pretty simple everything is internal and those module are junk.
1. Disconnect the Electronic Brake Control Module (EBCM). Verify the EBCM powers and grounds are good.
2. Check for corrosion or a bad connection between the EBCM and the Brake Pressure Modulator Valve (BPMV).
3. If all OK, replace the EBCM.
You can use a scanner and test the pump itself when the fault is present to confirm prior to tear down
February 26, 2014 at 8:24 am #577261Welp the sister-in-law hit a bump and the traction control and ABS lights went back off tonight. I hate sporadic issues. It also turns out it turned on after fixing the ground when she hit a bump too. I’m hopeful I may be looking at a wire/electrical contact issue for the harness that connects to the EBCM with this new bit of information.
February 26, 2014 at 11:42 pm #577307Had a similar intermittent ABS/TRAC problem in my 2001 Pontiac GP SE 3.1. Eventually the light would come on even while parked, simply by cranking the steering wheel hard over to the right. Prior to that, was noticing that the light would stay off after reset as long as I was not making right turns. Deduced that the problem was likely due to intermittent loss of circuit continuity to one of the front wheel speed sensors (WSS). Examined the wiring to the right wheel for damage, found none, cleaned and unplugged and replugged the connector a number of times with DeOxit (best electrical/electronic contact cleaner going)to wipe off any connector oxidation, and problem solved. Got lucky, tried the fix on the right front first, because that wheel had had its wheel bearings replaced a few months earlier, didn’t even have to check the left side.
Apparently the change in tension on the connector affected by moving the wheel in turns was all was that was needed to cause a momentary loss of output from the WSS, which then tripped the system off. Never tried to shoot codes, but likely would have located it easily to the right front WSS circuit. Note that I said WSS CIRCUIT, not just the VSS itself. I am an electrical engineer, and in over 50 years of professional work troubleshooting all sorts of stuff, troubleshooting electrical problems with my vehicles, and ham radio, the problem in a vast majority of the cases turns out to be with bad wiring, NOT bad sensors or components, especially in stuff that works in a harsh vibration environment like a vehicle.
The fact that your problem is tripped by hitting a bump makes it highly probable you have an intermittent connection somewhere. A failed component would likely stay failed, and you would not be able to reset the system and have it operate normally for a while until the next bump tripped it off. If you know what code is thrown, concentrate on the wiring for that component’s circuit.
I don’t know if this is true for the GM ABS/TRAC systems, but if you get to the point that you think that the main control module is suspect, there are guys who will repair yours on an exchange basis for very reasonable prices. Volvo and other Euro car ABS systems often have intermittent loss of ABS problems due to bad solder joints on the main module circuit cards, that can be easily fixed if you are handy with a soldering iron, or you can get it fixed by one of the aforementioned repair guys. Google around, there are more than a few out there.
Chris, Stonington CT.
February 27, 2014 at 2:26 am #577365If it changes going over bumps it COULD be a ground or connection issue as you state. However it could still be the module too. If there’s a loose connection in it, it can also exhibit the same symptom.
As for getting used electrical components, be cautious. If it’s a pattern failure you may be installing the same problem all over again. You might want to check to see if you can find a new aftermarket part first. Still, go through the diagnosis first to see what you have. Of corse you’re going to have to wait till it acts up again to do that.
As always, keep us updated.
March 2, 2014 at 11:33 pm #578057I got my hands on the vehicle again and checked the +12 and ground lines to the EBCM and they checked out ok. The internal part of the plug was a bit crudded up so I sprayed it down with some electrical contact cleaner, let it evaporate out and then reconnected the harness. Since that point the traction control and ABS lights have remained off for the last 3 days… so I’m hopefully optimistic.
Next thing to tackle on this vehicle will be the airbag light. It’ll need to go to the dealer for the code to be read though since no one aside from the dealer has a reader capable of reading airbag codes. Yay.
March 3, 2014 at 1:06 am #578067[quote=”AaronE” post=90002]I got my hands on the vehicle again and checked the +12 and ground lines to the EBCM and they checked out ok. The internal part of the plug was a bit crudded up so I sprayed it down with some electrical contact cleaner, let it evaporate out and then reconnected the harness. Since that point the traction control and ABS lights have remained off for the last 3 days… so I’m hopefully optimistic.
Next thing to tackle on this vehicle will be the airbag light. It’ll need to go to the dealer for the code to be read though since no one aside from the dealer has a reader capable of reading airbag codes. Yay.[/quote]
Can’t argue progress. Keep us posted on the issue.
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