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  • #838306
    JayJay
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      I have a 1996 Toyota 4Runner V6 with the 5 spd.

      I’ve had a misfire in this thing for a couple days now and Im getting ready to smog it and renew tags so this is a problem!

      What I’ve done is….Well…take the whole fuel system apart and replaced O rings and whatnot in injectors, throttle body, etc. AND replaced the TPS (throttle position sensor) since it was bad.

      Right now I still have a VERY tiny misfire in cylinder 3. I have no idea why but I’d like to get to the bottom of it so I can smog it. Any ideas?

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    • #838318
      BrianBrian
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        I’ve owned 2 Camry’s, one with. A v6 the other with a four. They both had this problem and both times it was an ignition coil starting to go bad. They can be expensive, but there are online options that worked great for me. I’m still driving the four cylinder Camry. I thought it only had a small misfire but was otherwise OK, but after replacing both coils this thing surprises me. Lots of power again. Never knew the power was kinda gone, but now that it’s back – WOOHOO!

        #838324
        JayJay
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          That is something I was beginning to wonder. If maybe one of my coils was beginning to go out. Im going to mess around with it and see what happens. Thank you! Any other advice in case of it not being the issue?

          #838326
          BrianBrian
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            There is always a chance you have a loose electrical connections. Checall ends of all the battery cables. The positive goes from the battery to the alternator, then the starter and sometimes a power distribution block aka underhood fuse block. The negative goes to the chassis and the engine block.

            Also, there are ways to bench test a coil, but I’ve found them to be worthless. Why? Because if it has an internal crack, it will sorta close up after its cooled off enough to test. When its mounted near the warm engine, that internal crack will expand causing loss of signal.

            #838331
            JayJay
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              Ok Im gonna play around with it a little and see what I can make happen. Don’t have the money for new coils at the moment so it makes it a bit tricky haha

              #838336
              MattMatt
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                This engine has the 3 coils which has a ignition wire running from it to another cylinder correct? You could always swap the coil around with another one. If the misfire moves to the cylinder you swapped the coil to then you know its bad. So for instance, take the coil off of cylinder 3 and move it to cylinder 1. If 1 starts to misfire, its a bad coil. Also pull a plug out when the coils are removed to make sure they look good and not causing your problem.

                #839012
                JayJay
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                  So i switched around the coil packs…No difference. Did another diagnostic on it and cylinder 3 is still misfiring.

                  #839022
                  MattMatt
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                    [quote=”jmf269″ post=146572]So i switched around the coil packs…No difference. Did another diagnostic on it and cylinder 3 is still misfiring.[/quote]

                    The plug looks ok? Need to make sure you have proper spark at that cylinder. Need to make sure that your fuel system is ok. You said you replaced o-rings but have checked the actual injector? From a quick search, on a cold engine, you should have 14-18 ohms of resistance across the injector. Any more, its bad. If you took off the intake, make sure the gasket is seated properly. Make sure you have proper power and grounds for those items. If all the basics are good (fuel, spark, air) and there are no electrical problems, next would be mechanical. do a leak down test or compression test.

                    I am not a toyota expert nor do I have extensive knowledge of that particular vehicle. Maybe someone on here does. But for the most part, diagnostics are the same from vehicle to vehicle. If you have access to a service manual, it should tell you how to do those things. Or google it. There is a wealth of info on the internet. It can be something really simple or something complicated.

                    #839024
                    BrianBrian
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                      I say just save up some money and buy new coils. EBay, amazon or rockauto.com

                      #839420
                      Ryan MarvinRyan Marvin
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                        Since you’ve already swapped the coil packs, have you tried swapping the wires? If you swap the wires and the misfire is in another cylinder, you’ll know its the wire. Also you may want to inspect the spark plug, even if they were recently replaced. I’ve had the ceramic crack on the plugs crack shortly after replacing, thus the gap couldn’t be jumped, causing misfires.

                        Best regards
                        -Ryan

                        #839433
                        EricTheCarGuy 1EricTheCarGuy
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                          Before you start throwing parts at it you might want to do a compression test. If there’s a mechanical problem with the cylinder throwing parts at it won’t solve the problem. The engine has to be mechanically sound to run smoothly.

                          If you find an issue in cylinder #3, you might try a leak down test next.

                          More information on solving performance problems here.

                          http://www.ericthecarguy.com/faq/solving-automotive-performance-issues

                          Good luck and keep us posted on what you find.

                          #839592
                          JayJay
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                            Ok guys I have an update for you.

                            I have replaced coils with new ones..
                            I replaced my Napa spark plug wires
                            I’ve replaced spark plugs
                            I’ve tested injectors and replaced o rings….again
                            I have tested injector electrical system….perfect

                            I do NOT know what is wrong with this thing…Anyone have any ideas before this begins costing me even more money than it already has?

                            This is a picture of cylinder 3 spark plug. This spark plug is not very old.

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                            A toyotakarlIts me
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                              Not trying to be rude, but Eric already said what to do next… you need to check for a mechanical problem by doing a compression test or a leak down test… If you have a burned or bent valve no coil/spark plug/fuel injector will fix it…. the only thing you have not done is replace the injector…that may be it, but a compression check is quick and easy…

                              Karl

                              #839610
                              JayJay
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                                I hadn’t seen his reply until after I responded….

                                Anyway…I’m going to do a compression test tomorrow. Fuel injector is good. I tested it remember?

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